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Curious that on this page the values are mentioned as "morning" values.

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Increase in levels during the race: Mørkeberg also highlights the increases seen around the two rest days; on July 11th the hematocrit value was 40.7, increasing to 43.1 on July 14, while the July 20th and July 25th morning blood control levels were 41.7 versus 43. This year’s rest days were July 13th and 20th.
How can they get the blood test time so wrong in 2009, when Damsgaard in 2012 seems so confident the 25th blood value was taken 15 minutes post-Ventoux climb.
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Curious that Bo Belhage and Rasmus Damsgaard are both qualified as anesthesiologists.

One of our esteemed PhD forum members shares this same honour.

Just a curious observation - nothing implied or otherwise insinuated.
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Gotta laugh at Damsgaard. This has been discussed for almost 4 years and he suddenly comes up with the idea that the blood control was taken AFTER the Ventoux stage? Post stage blood testing is very rare, it is used to test for products, not the Biopassport. All the reporting in the last 4 years has said it was a morning control

He also ignored the jump in Hct 2 weeks into the Tour and the wacky rect.
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a look at the data & rebuttal of damsgaard http://youtu.be/fck_OZDBE_o
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Gotta laugh at Damsgaard. This has been discussed for almost 4 years and he suddenly comes up with the idea that the blood control was taken AFTER the Ventoux stage? Post stage blood testing is very rare, it is used to test for products, not the Biopassport. All the reporting in the last 4 years has said it was a morning control

He also ignored the jump in Hct 2 weeks into the Tour and the wacky rect.
whatever lance took, it didn't help him much.
The BP works. In addition: Lance must have felt immense pressure from the media and a great fear of getting caught.
All that suggests he was either clean or on a very minimal program.
it was not the dope that brought him on the podium in 2009.
Just ask JV.



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Gotta laugh at Damsgaard. This has been discussed for almost 4 years and he suddenly comes up with the idea that the blood control was taken AFTER the Ventoux stage? Post stage blood testing is very rare, it is used to test for products, not the Biopassport. All the reporting in the last 4 years has said it was a morning control

He also ignored the jump in Hct 2 weeks into the Tour and the wacky rect.
Remember that he had a strong case of diarrhea and that explains the increase in crit.

Also the rectics increased... wait. Never mind.

And because of him being sick on rest day he could not climb with the best the day after ... oh wait. Never mind either.
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I am not sure which is worse, the dopers, or the anti-doping fellow travellers.
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Did anyone check to see if Armstrong gave Damsgaard a $10K bike? That seems to be his going rate for giving a free pass.
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Did anyone check to see if Armstrong gave Damsgaard a $10K bike? That seems to be his going rate for giving a free pass.
You beat me to this comment.

Damsgaard has already proven he is for sale. No reason to believe he wasn't bought off again this time.

The same can be said for the UCI, who is now attempting to defend Armstrong's claim that he rode clean in 2009/2010.

Once corrupted, always corrupted.
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whatever lance took, it didn't help him much.
The BP works. In addition: Lance must have felt immense pressure from the media and a great fear of getting caught.
All that suggests he was either clean or on a very minimal program.
it was not the dope that brought him on the podium in 2009.
Just ask JV.


Oh sniper you are an idiot as always.

I think that Ashenden and others have said that Armstrong's BP values should have triggered red flags but guess what cyclist is regarded as being extra protected by UCI!!! So the BP works but the guys running it, UCI didn't do their job.

If anything Armstrong's comeback in 2009 actually backs up the theory of the sport cleaning up.

A guy who had been retired for 3 years, comes back at almost 38 years of age, breaks his collarbone forcing him to miss a vital training period in the spring and he still finishes 3rd in the Tour ahead of a lot of young talented guys.

So either a few blood bags gave him this advantage over his competitors which would suggest they were a lot cleaner or Mr Armstrong has a lot more talent than he is given credit for on this forum
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