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Old 02-11-13, 22:49
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You forgot to switch on your sarcasm detector.
Argh I do hate that, sarcasm and irony are difficult to suss when you dont know the posters.
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Old 02-11-13, 22:51
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er, no, what there is no chance of is mental health experts preventing anyone from being shot by a lunatic in a movie theater. And that's not my opinion, that's the opinion of mental health experts. So if even mental health experts believe that it's impossible to predict who will and who won't become violent, what's the next option? How 'bout controlling the means of violence instead of trying to predict the unpredictable? Everyone on earth understands this, other than the American conservative.

Same argument as above: if we can't control the people (criminals or the mentally ill), then let's control what we can control, ie the means. But you don't want to go there.
But you can control the law abiding. How ineffectual.

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How 'bout controlling the means of violence instead of trying to predict the unpredictable?
I see. If I were to show you the recidivism rate of violent criminals was nearly 70%, I would think you might be interested in addressing that.

These are people that 1). Have been convicted of a violent felony, and 2) Once out of prison have a 70% likelihood of doing it again. Why not start there since you already know who these people are and that they will not follow any gun law you can produce?

Longer range, let's start repairing the problems that are driving crime in the inner city... I mean if you are concerned about violence and all.
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Old 02-11-13, 22:57
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But you can control the law abiding. How ineffectual.
Tell you what Scott why dont you arm everyone because that will work

http://www.salon.com/2013/02/11/thre...ouse_shooting/ perhaps arm the courthouse guards...oh wait they did.
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But you can control the law abiding. How ineffectual.
You can control the guns. Background checks, gun registries, ban on certain types of weapons (which we do already for any number of weapons) and magazines, etc. We know what is effectual, it's just that people like you refuse to accept it.

And I don't know if you've noticed, but the law-abiding overwhelmingly support stricter gun control.

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Speaking of ineffectual - our wonderful health care system.

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/0...re-stumped/?hp

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Jamie Court, the president of the California-based Consumer Watchdog, said: “If one hospital can put in a hip for $12,000, then every hospital should be able to do it. When there’s 100 percent variation in sticker price, then there is no real price. It’s about profit.”
Yep. Our "system" is not about health care, it's about profit.
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Speaking of ineffectual - our wonderful health care system.

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/0...re-stumped/?hp

Yep. Our "system" is not about health care, it's about profit.
Think it is bad Velo try this from the cuddly Heritage foundation http://www.nationaljournal.com/daily...rship-20130210
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Old 02-11-13, 23:50
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Cool video some people might like here. There is something smaller than scale to this I have been to in Lancaster Co. in PA, but this has it beat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCppmoZiXUY
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Ah trickle down economics yeh thats worked well, thats why wages have stagnated for the lower percentiles and inequality is at record levels honestly what is with you lot dont you look at facts? People who buy things create jobs not rentiers and Romneys asset stripping was shocking.

Yeh yeh government screw up like they did with erm say the moon landings, computers, penicillin while the private sector gave us Enron. You really should stop watching Fox. Next you will be telling us the teaparty are a grassroots movement and not a Koch & tobacco industry funded astroturf scam. Not all government is bad and not all private sector is good.
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Ah trickle down economics yeh thats worked well, thats why wages have stagnated for the lower percentiles and inequality is at record levels honestly what is with you lot dont you look at facts? People who buy things create jobs not rentiers and Romneys asset stripping was shocking.
WTF? Romney is going to raze his La Jolla seaside home and build one 3 times larger. Have any idea how much he's stimulating the economy with that move?

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The Romney's are seeking approval to expand the 3,009-square-foot home into an 8,105-square foot residence, a project estimated to cost about $12 million.
Rich people don't buy ****? Really? You wouldn't be able to spot facts if you were pissing on them.

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Yeh yeh government screw up like they did with erm say the moon landings, computers, penicillin while the private sector gave us Enron.
What are you typing on, that government issued iPhone?

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Words to live by right there.
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Speaking of ineffectual - our wonderful health care system.

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/0...re-stumped/?hp

Yep. Our "system" is not about health care, it's about profit.
Yep, all those f'ing greedy doctors ought to work for free. And just so you know, some doctors, like lawyers, are better than others, which could be a huge difference in the new hip. Different device makers, different products all at different price points...different patients present differently, not that you give a wit about any relevant fact. A hip is a hip is a hip. Let's standardize.

BTW Velo, you donate all your working hours, right?
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Think it is bad Velo try this from the cuddly Heritage foundation http://www.nationaljournal.com/daily...rship-20130210
And please consider this exhibit "A' on how to disingenuously argue a point.

OMG, if we can help just 1 child it's worth whatever the cost, or some such BS.

Question: The bill was for $330 million annually. Why not just round up the funding to $400 million... I mean it's for the kids, right?
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