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Old 02-24-13, 22:56
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But what mastersracer did was extrapolate from long efforts back to the short effort.

Here you are suggesting you can go the other way.
You can go both ways.
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Old 02-24-13, 23:32
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Wiggins in 2007

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Old 02-25-13, 00:00
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This is the exact same tactic employed by Krebs Cycle and JV when they cannot explain a phenomenon themselves - they berate a poster about "studying up on this stuff".
I have explained the concept of accumulated oxygen deficit, aerobic and anaerobic energy systems contribution to maximal performance to literally hundreds of students, coaches and athletes over the past 10yrs. I provide them with articles to read (some of which I have posted on this forum) to improve their understanding beyond what is presented in the lecture + prac + tutorial due to time limitations. Also, students complete things called assignments where they write an essay about a particular topic. On the advice of the lecturer, they go to the scientific literature and "study up on stuff". Pretty normal stuff for tertiary education. So the "same tactic" that I advised you to do is also used by thousands of educational institutions all over the world, and it has been that way for hundreds of years.

But some students cannot quite grasp the concept, and they are too lazy to "study up on stuff" and so they end up failing. Maybe you are like those students, or maybe you are unique? Unlike many students your ego is SOOOO massive that you ALREADY think you know everything there is to know, so you simply refuse to "study up on stuff".

Either way, its not my fault if you fail to understand and don't bother to read and learn yourself. What an ocean of tears there would be if every student who failed and was told to "study harder" started crying because they felt "berated".

Toughen up princess.

here is a simple proven fact for you one last time....

Long TTs and short TTs and the IP are all events in which the duration dictates that the aerobic energy system dominates the total energetic contribution. If you are good at one, chances are you will be good at the others. Hence the reason why many of the world's best long TT'ists also perform exceptionally well in short prologues and why numerous world class IP'ers whom have turned their hand to road have performed exceptionally well in prologues and/or long TTs.

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Old 02-25-13, 00:01
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2. How exactly does the critical power model "recognise" such issues - that sounds rather anthropomorphic of said model. The r^2 value (as you have posted it) is applied to a straight line formulae, which would seem to indicate a lack of dealing with the anaerobic contribution % tapering off as the duration increased, regardless of whether it "recognises" it.
We use a straight line formula in a critical power model (which neatly describes the work-time relationship for maximal efforts from a couple of minutes to about an hour) because in such a model, critical power is the slope of the line and the anaerobic work capacity is the intercept on the vertical axis.

The model can be used to assess changes over time in both the slope (CP) and intercept (AWC).

I do agree that to use the model properly, one does need to ensure the inputs are valid. Nevertheless, it's one way of identifying obvious outliers - but not to assess why it's an outlier.

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3. Do you disagree that there is greater anaerobic power contribution for the 4km pursuit vs the 53km TT?
The proportions of total work contribution from aerobic and anaerobic energy metabolism vary but the total contribution of anaerobic metabolism in absolute terms will be similar.

In fact the absolute contribution of anaerobic metabolism can be higher in total work terms for a longer ride since one can deplete AWC, recharge it by riding under threshold levels, and use it again. It wouldn't typically be very good pacing method in a flat TT, but it can certainly happen.
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Old 02-25-13, 00:02
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Wiggins in 2013 (Talking to a cycling mag I forget which one):

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This is a much finer argument than the spin. Wiggins was furious about dopers in 2007, but now that he's older he doesn't really care about it.

Of course, the fact that he was being beaten by said dopers and those doctors and people he wanted out of the sport in 2007, and has now been able to enlist the help of those suspect people so that he is beating the dopers makes it a lot easier not to really care about it. Strange what a bit of success will do to your vitriol. I'd wager that factors into the change in attitude more than the age.

Still doesn't explain his odd timeline in relation to Armstrong according to his self-contradicting public statements, but at least goes some way to providing some kind of explanation for one of the shifts in views.
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Apparently Lance didn't care either... then came the tears.
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This is a much finer argument than the spin. Wiggins was furious about dopers in 2007, but now that he's older he doesn't really care about it.
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Huge flaw in that. He seemed pretty upset last month about what Armstrong did. And the month before and the month before.
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If there's a 1% suspicion or doubt that a team is working with certain doctors, then they shouldn't be invited to the Tour de France - as simple as that.
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Old 02-25-13, 00:32
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But you think Sky are clean, neit?
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Old 02-25-13, 00:33
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Thanks Matt. Keep us posted when his viewpoint changes (again).
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