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Old 10-21-11, 11:40
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I would like to suggest that we divorce specific US election discussion from the 'General politics' topic. US political issues already so dominate there that discussion of other (global) issues is becoming increasingly difficult.

Next year's US elections will be a possible watershed in the country's history, and are likely to attract increasing comment and debate. It seems reasonable to me to confine specific election-related discussion to a separate topic.

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(This can easily be locked or deleted should the powers that be think otherwise.)
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Old 10-21-11, 13:00
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As a total outsider who doesn't care who wins I am finding the battle for the Republican nomination to be very entertaining, the last debate especially.
Romney is still the favourite and seems to be the best at thinking quickly and putting his views forward well.
Perry seems to be very slow at getting answers at times and not suited to debates. He still could be a real threat if he can make up some ground in the next couple of weeks when there is no debates.
Cain has taken some blows but has stood up to them okay, not convinced he has the staying power to be up there in a couple of months but it is certainly possible.
I would be very surprised if any of the others win the nomination.
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Old 10-21-11, 17:59
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It's Romney's to lose. Cain is in it simply to promote himself. Surprisingly, probably even to himself, he is the front runner de jour, but won't stay there. Perry seems tanking even more after each debate. I wonder whether he can make up before the first primaries and caucuses. The rest is irrelevant.
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Old 10-21-11, 18:52
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I'd rather not have a plethora of threads. Actually, I'm going to insist on it. I'm already going to close the Fox News thread. But I will let this one run for at least a little while.

It would make more sense to me to split the political threads in two: American Politics, and European (or Global) Politics.
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Old 10-21-11, 19:19
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I'd rather not have a plethora of threads. Actually, I'm going to insist on it. I'm already going to close the Fox News thread. But I will let this one run for at least a little while.

It would make more sense to me to split the political threads in two: American Politics, and European (or Global) Politics.
And that would separate how exactly? Just imagine talking about the Arab revolution. Discussing US involvement in Libya would go where? Discussing Palestine's bid for statehood would go where? Would it be moved once the US vetos it? I can't see a good separation either way. Where would we discuss cross country comparisons of tax systems, health care etc?
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Old 10-21-11, 20:51
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Well, what we don't need is a slew of politics threads in the forum. This has been discussed before, and the majority of people, and mods, did not want such a thing. Though the title would make one think it would be something to last for a year, I don't know that users can remain that focused on this topic, and we'll end up with two politics threads overlapping each other.

Thus I'm inclined to do with this thread what I did with the Fox thread. Let it run for a few days, and if/when it bleeds into other topics, close it, and re-direct people to the General thread.

For now, it stays.
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Old 10-21-11, 21:38
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Well, what we don't need is a slew of politics threads in the forum. This has been discussed before, and the majority of people, and mods, did not want such a thing. Though the title would make one think it would be something to last for a year, I don't know that users can remain that focused on this topic, and we'll end up with two politics threads overlapping each other.

Thus I'm inclined to do with this thread what I did with the Fox thread. Let it run for a few days, and if/when it bleeds into other topics, close it, and re-direct people to the General thread.

For now, it stays.
I understand perfectly that no one, least of all the mods, is served by a surfeit of overlapping topics. I also entirley understand and agree with your closing of the Fox topic, which had indeed run its natural course (though clips from FN could always be included in a comedy topic).

My reasoning for floating this topic was twofold. The General topic now includes everything under the sun, but is dominated by discussion of US politics and society. It is extremely difficult for any two posters, for example, to maintain a conversation about anything non-US related. By and large, US posters here show little interest in global issues. Fair enough, no one has to.

At the same time, we are going to see a steady increase in election related subjects and posts over the coming year, culminating in an election that may be of immense influence on the future of this country. It seemed like a good idea to put all the electioneering/polling/etc stuff in one place. By so doing, the General topic can evolve to become a little less US fixated and more 'general'. It seems to me that this would benefit all concerned.

I think that trying to split political discussion into 'world' and US will not work. As Cobblestones mentioned above, there are simply too many overlaps. I do, however, think that we could have a decent stab at divorcing specific US election related material. If it works, you can always change the title next year.
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Old 10-21-11, 21:47
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I am voting for Gubnah Rick Perry because of his good hair dew.

SO happy we get to have a an election thread. Thanks amsterhammer for the thread, maybe we can get some real powliticken going on. Pubs for the win in 2012 down with President Obama the socialist.
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Old 10-22-11, 01:14
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It's Romney's to lose. Cain is in it simply to promote himself. Surprisingly, probably even to himself, he is the front runner de jour, but won't stay there. Perry seems tanking even more after each debate. I wonder whether he can make up before the first primaries and caucuses. The rest is irrelevant.
Perry is going to launch his tax policy and if that works and he can steady things he could start doing okay. If Cain faulters badly and loses alot of support then I would think Perry would benefit more than Romney. Romney might benefit from Cain hanging around as a contender for a while provide Cain doesn't beat him as highly unlikely as it might be.
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Old 10-22-11, 02:39
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Okay, we'll try it for now. A few things to understand though:

This thread is ONLY for posts relating to the 2012 campaign. Anything else, and the post is likely to be deleted, and the poster given an (unofficial) warning.

• If the thread starts turning into a catch-all, it will be closed.

• I would encourage those posting in the General Politics thread to do their best to re-direct campaign 2012 discussions here.

• If backlash starts about the Café turning unfriendly because of too much politics, I may take the decision to close this thread, and stuff everyone into the General Politics thread.

• Understand that this is a cycling message board. Yes, this is the Café, but if people really want to discuss hard-core politics, there are plenty of websites out there for it.
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