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Old 04-24-12, 18:13
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the pordoi is not a stepe climb. a climb that doesn't suit him at all. atapuma in colombia was always great in stepe climbs. about visum you are right. he had 2 extra weeks of training which helped him
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Old 04-24-12, 18:27
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the pordoi is not a stepe climb. a climb that doesn't suit him at all. atapuma in colombia was always great in stepe climbs. about visum you are right. he had 2 extra weeks of training which helped him
I know, that's the point. Most climbs in Colombia are very long and between 6-8 %. The only climb anywhere near a Punto Veleno/Zoncolan type gradient is Escobero, which was only used once, in recent years at least. Also there was the altitude factor, of course.
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Old 04-24-12, 18:31
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that's not true at all. you simply look at averages but climbs in colombia are way steeper. they are just ver unregular. datapuma has always been great in very steep climbs in colombia and al;s europe. remember last year castilla y leon the hard climb in the middle where only he, quintana, anton, baez and pozzo could follow. that was 14% in final kilometres where they forced. the altitude does help yes
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Old 04-24-12, 19:47
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that's not true at all. you simply look at averages but climbs in colombia are way steeper. they are just ver unregular. datapuma has always been great in very steep climbs in colombia and al;s europe. remember last year castilla y leon the hard climb in the middle where only he, quintana, anton, baez and pozzo could follow. that was 14% in final kilometres where they forced. the altitude does help yes
It's true that they are irregular, yes, but still there is nothing to compare to Punto Veleno.
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Old 04-24-12, 20:26
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ryo, you can train also racing.
that has been done for years in cycling.
the problen is that if you have not made good base training , everything is difficult.
i do not think that you can do base training in the middle of the season.
they just have to select objectives and train fot that racing, not trying to deliver results every week.

you have to admit that the colombians have to adjust to a different reality: they are not used to race one week in belgium and one in turkey, living and aeting for weeks in hotel, travelling, staying away from their families and really racing at a different level.
that is not easy and we see riders like jp suarez completely unable to perform at their expected level.

it is not only corti's mistakes. he made mistakes but there is a combination of factors leading to this situation.

and it seems also worst,because we were unrealistic and expecting too much from many riders.

duarte and suarez are underperforming too much.
atapuma ,pantano and rodriguez are ok
osorio is ill, al the others are invisible.
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Old 04-24-12, 20:32
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ryo, you can train also racing.
that has been done for years in cycling.
the problen is that if you have not made good base training , everything is difficult.
i do not think that you can do base training in the middle of the season.
they just have to select objectives and train fot that racing, not trying to deliver results every week.

you have to admit that the colombians have to adjust to a different reality: they are not used to race one week in belgium and one in turkey, living and aeting for weeks in hotel, travelling, staying away from their families and really racing at a different level.
that is not easy and we see riders like jp suarez completely unable to perform at their expected level.

it is not only corti's mistakes. he made mistakes but there is a combination of factors leading to this situation.

and it seems also worst,because we were unrealistic and expecting too much from many riders.

duarte and suarez are underperforming too much.
atapuma ,pantano and rodriguez are ok
osorio is ill, al the others are invisible.
But Corti is the DS- he "must" address the logistics prior to the races & make sure the riders have clear objectives to achieve- instead of simply "sending them to races to see how much they can get for nothing"---that's wrong & he knows better after what he did to Soler back in the day with Barloworld...
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But Corti is the DS- he "must" address the logistics prior to the races & make sure the riders have clear objectives to achieve- instead of simply "sending them to races to see how much they can get for nothing"---that's wrong & he knows better after what he did to Soler back in the day with Barloworld...
He'll probably make the adjustments for next season. In Barloworld he had other riders that he could shuffle around for races. Not only Soler and Cardenas. I don't consider that what Soler did in Barloworld was a failure. There is so much that the DS can control when a rider is prone to crashes. Even after Barloworld Soler was still crashing.

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Old 04-24-12, 21:00
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ryo, you can train also racing.
that has been done for years in cycling.
the problen is that if you have not made good base training , everything is difficult.
i do not think that you can do base training in the middle of the season.
they just have to select objectives and train fot that racing, not trying to deliver results every week.

you have to admit that the colombians have to adjust to a different reality: they are not used to race one week in belgium and one in turkey, living and aeting for weeks in hotel, travelling, staying away from their families and really racing at a different level.
that is not easy and we see riders like jp suarez completely unable to perform at their expected level.

it is not only corti's mistakes. he made mistakes but there is a combination of factors leading to this situation.

and it seems also worst,because we were unrealistic and expecting too much from many riders.

duarte and suarez are underperforming too much.
atapuma ,pantano and rodriguez are ok
osorio is ill, al the others are invisible.
we aren't expectign too much at all. atapuma shows in one day something incredible. he's not their best rider. duarte and suarez are better at least. that is saying something. the traveling is a little problem. a big problem is their 16 man roster. ridiuclous!! who mad ethat up? comcel have 24 riders! wtf? I hope some comcel riders are going to be transfered during the season to coldeportes. at least they are in good shave and have good base.

I think you can do base training in middle of the seaosn. if you take rest before you do it. act as if it's winter. start all over again because now this season will be endless and destructive to their engines and morale

pantano went way to deep in his first races and is now injured. he is overtired. because he lacks the base and he went to deep in strade bianche and tirreno.
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Old 04-24-12, 21:01
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He'll probably make the adjustments for next season. In Barloworld he had other riders that he could shuffle around for races. Not only Soler and Cardenas. I don't consider that what Soler did in Barloworld was a failure. There is so much that the DS can control when a rider is prone to crashes. Even after Barloworld Soler was still crashing.
agreed. corti didn't **** up soler. soler f'd up himself with teh crashes but he was never send to races injured. soler was always given good training and recovery. it's just he crashed a lot and whenever he crashed got injured.
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Prior to the start of the season, one of their riders said that the fact that they'll be little rest time in between races was going to be hard on them.
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