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Old 04-23-12, 13:43
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In the UK, you see so many high-end frame with flashy bars and saddles, pre-packed with 105s and rubbishy wheels. Just don't understand it at all.
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It is because there are so many choices of high-end wheels available.
Every buyer (who would be willing to pay for high-end wheels on a new bike) would want something different.
The seller would have the nightmare of stocking and then servicing all the various combinations.

It is easier for them to equip the bike with 'reasonable wheels' that are fine for non-racing, and let the buyer do wheel upgrades independently.
I guess the makers & sellers think that it doesn't hurt their sales, so why do a lot of extra work.

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It is because there are so many choices of high-end wheels available.
Every buyer (who would be willing to pay for high-end wheels on a new bike) would want something different.
The seller would have the nightmare of stocking and then servicing all the various combinations.

It is easier for them to equip the bike with 'reasonable wheels' that are fine for non-racing, and let the buyer do wheel upgrades independently.
I guess the makers & sellers think that it doesn't hurt their sales, so why do a lot of extra work.

Jay Kosta
Endwell NY USA
This is the problem now. Those "reasonable wheels" aren't meant for everyday abuse even, they're just on the bike to get it out of the shop. In the last decade of building wheels the majority of sales out of my shop have gone to people who are utterly dissatisfied with the wheels that came on their bike. This customer demographic has grown exponentially in the last decade. I think it's really irresponsible for the bike mfg's to be propagating junk wheels that end up in the garbage when it's the most important component of the bike. But, in the end it's all about money and profits.
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anything that can be used as a boat anchor is typically slow.
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This is the problem now. Those "reasonable wheels" aren't meant for everyday abuse even, they're just on the bike to get it out of the shop. In the last decade of building wheels the majority of sales out of my shop have gone to people who are utterly dissatisfied with the wheels that came on their bike. This customer demographic has grown exponentially in the last decade. I think it's really irresponsible for the bike mfg's to be propagating junk wheels that end up in the garbage when it's the most important component of the bike. But, in the end it's all about money and profits.
Agree, don't sell wheelsouttaboxes, never have. All the wheels I sell are handbuilt by me and my employee...'bout 400 per year.

Most spec'ed wheels, flashy, big decals, all suffer from 'crappyhubitis', poor builds.
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So I rode my old kysrium elites yesterday in 20-30mph wind. Feel much better going uphill as they are much stiffer and lighter, but I get blown around all over in a headwind. Solo ride so cant compare coasting but am going to guess they are still slow.

For custom, how do I make sure the wheels are stiff enough for climbing?
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For custom, how do I make sure the wheels are stiff enough for climbing?
That's up to your wheel builder to do it right in the first place. But this happens even before the build, they should work with you on part selection, spoke count and pattern based on body weight, what purpose that particular wheel set serves, riding style, and road conditions of your stomping grounds.
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165lbs, do-it-all but closer to racing than bulletproof, northeast usa so roads are pretty good (imho). Any general recommendation would be appreciated - my main aim is that the wheel is stiff when climbing and light enough to be competitive.

Carbon is out of budget otherwise I would get enves with dt240s. Thanks for any help.
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How much are you looking at?
Clincher or tubular

With your weight you could get away with something built around Stans 340's 24/28/32 spokes with DT240, DT Comps and that would be about $800 and 1400grams, plus being tubeless you save 70 -100 or so per tube The rims are 200lbs limited.

You could save a bit of weight on the hubs or if you upgrade them to Dash, still less than $1k and less than 1200 in 24's

Or to save cash you could use something like WHite hubs for not much penalty to the DT240's
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Have heard bad things about Stans - especially as stiffness is a requirement. Never heard of Dash - what makes them an upgrade from DT240?

What are peoples thoughts on these:

http://www.planet-x-bikes.co.uk/i/q/...by_paul_curran
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Have heard bad things about Stans - especially as stiffness is a requirement. Never heard of Dash - what makes them an upgrade from DT240?

What are peoples thoughts on these:

http://www.planet-x-bikes.co.uk/i/q/...by_paul_curran
That's right, no Stan's rims, or tubeless, junk X2. I don't know why you keep looking at McDonald's fast food wheels? Going from Mavic to Planet X is like trying to make a decision whether to eat at Jack in the Box or Carl's Jr. You can have a much better set for the money, especially the hubs. If I were to build a tubular climbers wheel on a budget for $400 or less it would go like this;

Velocity Escape rims
Miche Racing Box hubs
28h 2x front and rear
Sapim Lasers front and nds, Race ds

You really want to climb faster? Train harder, eat right, and get plenty of rest. I regularly ride with a 50 something year old that rolls 32h wheels on a steel frame and can out climb all of the younger racers on much lighter equipment. It's not the arrow, it's the Indian. Get my meaning?
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