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Old 03-08-12, 17:39
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um, the Affordable Health Care Act was "handed" to him? Restructuring the banks was "handed" to him? Eliminating bin Laden was "handed" to him? Reversing Bush-era "enhanced" interrogation techniques was "handed" to him? Kicking banks out of the student aid program was "handed" to him? Expanding Pell Grants was "handed" to him? Creating Race to the Top was "handed" to him? Boosting fuel efficiency requirements was "handed" to him? Passing credit card reform was "handed" to him? Creating the conditions necessary to start closing down the dirtiest power plants was "handed" to him? The new START treaty was "handed" to him? Reversing the Bush-era restrictions on stem-cell research was "handed" to him?

Please. That's ridiculous.
Restructuring the banks and credit cards was a symptom of 2008. The latter was an obvious populist move. The least one could do.

Yes, Bin Laden. I sleep better at night no doubt. Why are there soldiers with machine guns in Penn Station? Sons of Osama gonna hijack the Acela?

Reversing Bush era "enhanced interrogation techniques." Hard to go wrong working against Bush's human rights record wouldn't you say?

Are you comparing him to Bush or are you talking about what should be done in the job if one runs for it?

As for dirty power plants: after he ducked Copenhagen. Again, you're naming obvious targets.

Let's go on: how bad had Pell grants gotten? One does need to educate the work force of the coming century. Not exactly a humanitarian gesture.

A little criticality maybe? Exercising intelligence in the wake of craven stupidity is not greatness. It's simply doing what one is able to do.

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Exactly. It's a shame so many people either don't get this or - hey scott - refuse to even acknowledge the possibility. But it's true.

Conservatives do aknowledge it. They just see it as wrong.

For some reason you see "getting things done" as a total positive, because its being applied to youyr beloved Obama,

But someone could in theory scrap the civil rights act, totaly ban abortion, invade Mexico and sell Loisiana back to the French and they would have done more than any other pres in history.

Though on the last point im sure a lot of you would say its a positive.
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Exactly. It's a shame so many people either don't get this or - hey scott - refuse to even acknowledge the possibility. But it's true.
I don't even know where to start. I guess I'll pick something false or misstated per page and we can go from there.

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And for such an obviously gifted orator, he has been surprisingly inept at explaining to average Americans what he’s fighting for or trumpeting what he’s achieved.
Take away the teleprompter and there's no 'there' there. He's not inept at explaining at all. His crowning achievement is monumentally unpopular and he knows talking about it is a loser. That is a tough spot to be in.

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How will history judge the stimulus? Not so well if the economy stays weak or sputters out; quite well if it continues to improve. But beyond that, if some of the bets Obama has placed on education reform or transportation or energy pan out, and if the competition-based model of federal spending becomes more common, the “temporary” stimulus will have left an enduring mark on government and the economy.


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The current U.S. economic recovery is arguably the weakest since the Great Depression. Even though the Great Recession ended in the summer of 2009, unemployment is still over 8 percent. In fact, the past three years have seen the longest stretch of high unemployment in this country since the Great Depression.

Consider this: In the first ten quarters of the Obama Recovery, real GDP is up a total of 6 percent vs. 16 percent in the Reagan Recovery. Or to put it another way, after 10 quarters of recovery, the Reagan growth rate was 6 percent vs. Obama’s 2.4 percent vs. 4.6 percent for the average post-World War II expansion. Another factoid: In the 31 months of the OR, the economy added 1.8 million net nonfarm payrolls vs. 8.9 million during the RR.


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But how much is the failure of Obamanomics to blame for the weak recovery? Isn’t the collapse of the housing bubble why the recovery has been so slow? That is what Obamacrat-friendly pundits keep telling me.

Well, a new study on the impact of the housing sector collapse and its aftermath gives some insight, I think, on that issue. The paper was presented today at a conference held by the University of Chicago Booth School of Business. (It was written by J.P. Morgan Chase‘s Michael Feroli, Bank of America Merrill’s Ethan Harris, Amir Sufi of the University of Chicago and Kenneth West of the University of Wisconsin.)
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Here’s my theory: Maybe it’s because of a temporary, $800 billion stimulus plan that didn’t perform as well as Reagan’s long-term cuts to marginal tax rates. Or while Reagan was deregulating, Obama was imposing a vast new layer of regulation on the U.S. financial and healthcare industries with the promise of more to come. Housing or not, this recovery could be a whole lot better and unemployment a whole lot lower with better policies out of Washington.
http://blog.american.com/2012/02/why...weak-recovery/

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Finally, after years of *****footing around, the administration, prodded by aggressive state attorneys general, has finally launched a major push to investigate and prosecute possible criminal misconduct in the financial collapse.
Off to a poor start. Andre Birotte closed the case against Countrywide without indictments.

Dodd-Frank is clearly a work in progress. But it has problems among them is essentially the gutting of the Sarbanes-Oxley (section 806) whistleblower protections and perhaps this may have been intended;

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Kudos to ABC's Jake Tapper for calling out the White House on its unprecedented use of the Espionage Act to silence whistleblowers.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/projec...b_1304285.html

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The law manages not only to extend coverage to 32 million uninsured Americans but also to cut the deficit and put in place dozens of new policies and programs aimed at reducing health care costs, the single greatest driver of America’s long-term fiscal problems.
This is pap. A straight out lie. Here is what is sure to be a steady stream of what will come;

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According to the FY 2013 budget proposed earlier this year by the Obama administration, the costs associated with implementing a key component of “Obamacare” have soared by $111 billion from the previous year.

The costs involve government subsidies that will be doled out to certain middle class recipients so that they can purchase coverage in Obamacare’s controversial “state exchanges.” A year ago, the price tag for these subsidies was $367 billion over a ten-year period … but in Obama’s new budget, the cost jumps to $478 billion over the same time frame.

Administration officials blamed the increase on “technical changes.”

Really? A thirty percent hike in one year?
http://www.fitsnews.com/2012/03/02/a...bamacare-oops/

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As the think tank Education Sector has written, by kicking the banks out of the student loan program, Obama has effectively eliminated the biggest lobbying force standing in the way of an über-reform of student aid: turning the confusing plethora of loan programs into one simple federal loan payable as a percentage of a person’s income over a working lifetime. Such a single “income-contingent” loan would make it possible for virtually every American to afford a post-secondary education without risk of going bankrupt.
Nationalize college loan progams. Brilliant. Certainly not collectivist... or Statist. This was completely unnecessary and BTW, when did secondary education start getting unaffordable? You guessed it, when the Feds made college tuition loans readily available.

Default Rates Rise for Federal Student Loans

The good news about a one source government loan program is they will now have the ability to pick winners and losers in the area of secondary education. It's already happening.

http://www.ed.gov/news/press-release...-student-loans

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One of the most important tasks a president must master—and Obama hasn’t—is speaking up for his own record. This has been especially challenging for him because of the still-widespread economic suffering across the country and the too-soon-to-tell quality of his biggest accomplishments.
Yep.

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Old 03-08-12, 21:39
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For a businessman who left this board before out of exasperation, you sure seem to have a lot of time on your hands.


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Off to a poor start. Andre Birotte closed the case against Countrywide without indictments.
Birotte, hmmm, how where have I heard that name before?

Seriously, Eric Holder is the most incompetent AG in a century. He makes Alberto Gonzalez look like Eliot Ness. Take a look at the UBS debacle. The only person prosecuted so far has been the whistleblower. Even Eliot Spitzer was highly critical of Holder.

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Dodd-Frank is clearly a work in progress. But it has problems among them is essentially the gutting of the Sarbanes-Oxley (section 806) whistleblower protections and perhaps this may have been intended;
Pretty much, yep. 60 Minutes ran a segment on Sarbanes-Oxley about a month ago. And BTW, Spitzer was quite critical, saying Dodd-Frank accomplished little, and much of it was misguided and as a tool the AG's office has gone after the wrong people.

Seriously, I'd probably take John Mitchell as AG over Holder.

I'll let you guys continue to debate the merits of what Obama will run on, just as has been done over the last 50 pages here.

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For a businessman who left this board before out of exasperation, you sure seem to have a lot of time on your hands.



Birotte, hmmm, how where have I heard that name before?

Seriously, Eric Holder is the most incompetent AG in a century. He makes Alberto Gonzalez look like Eliot Ness. Take a look at the UBS debacle. The only person prosecuted so far has been the whistleblower. Even Eliot Spitzer was highly critical of Holder.


Pretty much, yep. 60 Minutes ran a segment on Sarbanes-Oxley about a month ago. And BTW, Spitzer was quite critical, saying Dodd-Frank accomplished little, and much of it was misguided and as a tool the AG's office has gone after the wrong people.

Seriously, I'd probably take John Mitchell as AG over Holder.

I'll let you guys continue to debate the merits of what Obama will run on, just as has been done over the last 50 pages here.
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For a businessman who left this board before out of exasperation, you sure seem to have a lot of time on your hands.
I have a fantastic staff.

The misinformation generated in DC is mind-boggling. It would be nice to just be able to discuss facts instead of spin.

Like this;

U.S. Unemployment Up in February
Underemployment is 19.1%, up from 18.7% in January


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PRINCETON, NJ -- U.S. unemployment, as measured by Gallup without seasonal adjustment, increased to 9.1% in February from 8.6% in January and 8.5% in December.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/153161/Un...-February.aspx


Oh noooooooooooooooooooooo.........

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Isn't that what Mitt Romney said at Bain?
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Or this;

Govt. sets record deficit in February

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The federal government recorded its worst monthly deficit in history in February, according to a preliminary report Wednesday from the Congressional Budget Office that said the deficit in fiscal year 2012 is already more than half a trillion dollars.

The CBO’s figures show that despite repeated efforts to trim spending, the government has borrowed 42 cents of every dollar it spent during the first five months of this fiscal year.

The nonpartisan agency projected the government will run a deficit of $229 billion in February, the highest monthly figure ever. The previous high was $223 billion a year ago, in February 2011.

It is the 41st straight month the government has run a deficit — itself a record streak that dates back to the final months of President George W. Bush’s tenure. Before now, the longest streak on record was 11 months.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...icit-february/

Or this;

Sebelius Has ‘No Idea’ If Obamacare Adds to the Deficit

http://freebeacon.com/sebelius-has-n...o-the-deficit/

The video of Sebelius is priceless. A Must see.

Or this even;

Gas Prices Now A Big Factor In Presidential Election

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2012/0...tial-election/


All in today's headlines...........

This economy need to improve. In some ways it is, but we have a long way to go and Obama doing stuff like this does not help;

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President Barack Obama is intervening in a Senate fight over the Keystone XL oil pipeline and personally lobbying Democrats to reject an amendment calling for its construction, according to several sources familiar with the talks.

The White House lobbying effort, including phone calls from the president to Democrats, signals that the vote could be close when it heads to the floor Thursday. The president is trying to defeat an amendment that would give election-year fodder to his Republican critics who have accused him of blocking a job-creating energy project at a time of high gas prices.

The amendment, proposed by Sen. John Hoeven (R-N.D.), states that Obama would have no role in such cross-border permitting decisions since, in this case, the pipeline would originate in Canada. The measure would need 60 votes to pass, and Obama has already lost two Democrats who back the proposal - Sens. Joe Manchin of West Virginia and Mary Landrieu - and is at risk of losing more moderates and vulnerable Democrats.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/73767.html

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Isn't that what Mitt Romney said at Bain?
I think so.
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Oh boy.

February's deficit was $229 Billion. Do you really want to argue that under Obama the debt in NOT increasing faster than at any time in our history?

Make your case. Maybe that graph above will feature in his upcoming campaign.

BTW, I thought the economy was improving.
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