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Old 11-03-12, 18:11
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Disgusting stuff from a despicable individual.

The world of cycling will be much better off without a scumbag like Vinokourov. He's cheated in so many different ways it's almost admirable.
Don't worry, he'll remain in cycling through a management position in Astana
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Old 11-03-12, 18:29
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No, it's not.

He cheated, lied and faked throughout his career. There is nothing admirable with this guy.
You misunderstood my post.

I have nothing but contempt towards Vinokourov.
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Old 11-03-12, 18:30
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Don't worry, he'll remain in cycling through a management position in Astana
He should be banned for life from the sport of cycling.
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Old 11-03-12, 18:57
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You misunderstood my post.

I have nothing but contempt towards Vinokourov.
Don't worry, I didn't.

It's just that there is really nothing admirable here. Coming back from an injury? Ok, generally that is. Coming back from an injury while still cheating and lying? That's Vino. As shady as Armstrong but lacking the intelligence.
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Old 11-03-12, 19:06
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He should be banned for life from the sport of cycling.
I agree. Combining doping with both tax-fraud and bribery...The guy is simply a criminal with no moral whatsoever.

That being said, I understand those who still liked him as a rider, as he undoubtedly had an entertaining racing style.
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Old 11-03-12, 21:16
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I agree. Combining doping with both tax-fraud and bribery...The guy is simply a criminal with no moral whatsoever.
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He should be banned for life from the sport of cycling.
100% d'accord.

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this is the difference between Vino and every other cool and attacking rider
You don't get it, the issue is not 'how' he wins, but 'why' he wins.
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100% d'accord.

You don't get it, the issue is not 'how' he wins, but 'why' he wins.
This isn't the clinic
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Old 11-03-12, 21:22
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This isn't the clinic
Right, so stop suggesting it.
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Old 11-03-12, 21:36
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100% d'accord.

You don't get it, the issue is not 'how' he wins, but 'why' he wins.



looking forward to nibali managed by god himself.
you better hope he will learn from the god's tricks.
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Old 11-03-12, 22:34
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It's not bribing, remember. Kolobnev could've said no, because you can say no.

I think there is something fundamentally different between doping and paying a competitor: you do the first thing in secret to beat your competitor in an unfair way, in the second it is just a business agreement in which both parties need to agree for it to work. And because the sport of cycling is unique in it's setup in which you need to work together to beat each other at the line, things like this are, in my opinion, part of the sport.
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