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Old 12-10-11, 10:28
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I'd say different level in his circuit of racing. But still a great time trialist. And although he's a year older than Durbridge, there's still room for much more improvement. I can see him improving as a rider during his time with Movistar.

And yeah, he's a third generation cyclist. I think his dad and grandfather are also named Ramon.
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Old 12-10-11, 10:29
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Indeed, he's on a different level in ITT:

World Championships U23 (Kobenhavn) I.T.T. (35.2 km) 19/09/2011

1. [AUS] DURBRIDGE Luke JAI 42'47"

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55. [PAN] CARRETERO MARCIAQ Ramon - 04'42"
always funny when the uninformed and unknowing try to mengle in a discussion they have no idea about. you have some sort of obesseion with me don't you?
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Old 12-10-11, 10:29
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Vuelta Chile 2012 start next year on January 5th. Here you can take a look at the stages.

This weekend the last Chilean qualification races are held. Seven of ten foreign teams are already known: GW Shimano, Jamis Sutter Home, Clube Dataro de Ciclismo Foz do Iguaçu, Nacionales Uruguay and Argentina, Team Nippo, Caja Andalucía and KTM - Gebrüder Weiss.
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Old 12-10-11, 10:31
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I'd say different level in his circuit of racing. But still a great time trialist. And although he's a year older than Durbridge, there's still room for much more improvement. I can see him improving as a rider during his time with Movistar.

And yeah, he's a third generation cyclist. I think his dad and grandfather are also named Ramon.
yes he's called ramon the third

carretero I see next year could podium wc u23 itt if all goes well. ramirez rode very strong wc itt this year despite wrong equipment and every other thing that could've possibly worked against him. simply check ramirez times after check 1 he is in the 5 fastest. well carretero is stronger itt slightly then ramirez I think both can become a weapon in itt in europe. although ramirez is also good climber
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Old 12-10-11, 10:32
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Vuelta Chile 2012 start next year on January 5th. Here you can take a look at the stages.

This weekend the last Chilean qualification races are held. Seven of ten foreign teams are already known: GW Shimano, Jamis Sutter Home, Clube Dataro de Ciclismo Foz do Iguaçu, Nacionales Uruguay and Argentina, Team Nippo, Caja Andalucía and KTM - Gebrüder Weiss.
very nice and a very open race without arriagada is hard to see an immediate favor. have to wait for startlist. for chile vicente muga a young prospect is doing very well. was 2nd in vuelta chiapas in mexico recently
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Old 12-10-11, 10:58
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always funny when the uninformed and unknowing try to mengle in a discussion they have no idea about. you have some sort of obesseion with me don't you?
Yes, facts may distort the discussion

I was actually interested based on your hype of the guy, but it turns out to be slightly overdone, as always.
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Old 12-10-11, 11:19
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Yes, facts may distort the discussion

I was actually interested based on your hype of the guy, but it turns out to be slightly overdone, as always.
Ryo talks about Latin American rider --> show interest but with a grain of salt.

It's also a relative thing; if a guy has good technique and position, but because of the Central American calendar is often only doing short-to-mid-length ITTs, then giving him a chance to move up and access to better coaching could improve him greatly. There's potential there. Durbridge comes from a very strong track program in Australia, so he has already had access to some of the very best coaching in the game.

Plus, you have where the Worlds fall in the calendar relative to the European calendar vs. where they fall in the Latin American cycling calendar, and anything else (injuries, mechanicals) that we simply won't know about since Carretero never featured on our screens.

The problem is the sample size of representative performances we have of Carretero vs. anybody major that we can use as a reference point is very small, and thus it is difficult to predict his actual talent level. Much like talking up Igor Antón but only being able to look at his results from the first half of 2009, when he was just getting over a severe injury.
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Yes, facts may distort the discussion

I was actually interested based on your hype of the guy, but it turns out to be slightly overdone, as always.
If you know that is usually the case why constantly deride him about it? We can appreciate the enthusiasm and depth of info regarding the cycling scene in South America that he and others bring. If some of the statements are overdone, so what? Just take the good with the bad. Hopefully we all can do the same including myself. I'm trying to be more civil in my posts.
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Indeed, he's on a different level in ITT:

World Championships U23 (Kobenhavn) I.T.T. (35.2 km) 19/09/2011

1. [AUS] DURBRIDGE Luke JAI 42'47"

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55. [PAN] CARRETERO MARCIAQ Ramon - 04'42"
That's what I thought too. But in that ITT, Carretero actually looked very well (I was at the course).
And if I'm not badly mistaken, he was the rider who had his ITT bars break halfway through, leading to a very awkward position.
For once, I agree with Ryo: He is a good ITT talent.
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Old 12-10-11, 21:20
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That's what I thought too. But in that ITT, Carretero actually looked very well (I was at the course).
And if I'm not badly mistaken, he was the rider who had his ITT bars break halfway through, leading to a very awkward position.
For once, I agree with Ryo: He is a good ITT talent.
Of course, it's just one result. But I couldn't help posting it
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