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Old 01-25-12, 09:09
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Default What about a "chase race" in cycling?

Often people complain that especially GTs are always the same and there's nothing new and no excitment.
So why not leave the old pattern that there are only TTs and normal stages in GTs? I think a chase race could be very entertaining and dramatic if it's done the right why.
So my idea is that the last stage of a GT will be a chase race. The guy who leads the classement will start first, and everyone else according to the time gap in the GC. Just like in xc skiing. This would mean, that the first guy who crosses the finish line is actually the winner of the Tour, the second is second, and so on.
In my eyes this could be very dramatic and interesting. Of course slip streaming would not be allowed, except for the final km. On the road there would be rules like in ironman, so that slipstreaing would not be a huge factor.
But of course seeing your opponents in front of you would still be a benift, but that's the way it is, and i am sure there would be epic battles.
I think a reasonable length for such a race would be 90-100km.
I think this would ad some new flavor to the GTs. It would also be a bit of a reminder of the past of the Tour. After all, riding alone for huge distances was how the tour looked in It's early days.
Your thoughts on this?
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Old 01-25-12, 09:17
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The talk of a pursuit has been mooted on the forums a few times.

For a GT, I think it would never work; the start would be great, with the battle for the win, but you'd then have rouleur domestiques and sprinters starting hours after the main contenders had finished, battling over the right to finish 160th and it would hold no interest whatsoever except for the trackstands by those competing for the lanterne rouge. It would also require the roads be closed for a similar amount of time as a time trial, if not more, but instead of the crowds getting bigger as time goes by, they could watch the leaders then call it a day and go home while the likes of Bert Grabsch and Aleksandr Kuschynski are still waiting to start.

In a short stage race, I think it could make a great addition - a race like the TDU, where the last rider was 47 minutes down coming into the final stage, would be ideal for this, as you wouldn't have such a long period of downtime at the end. The course would perhaps need to be slightly hilly, so it's not just a power test and effectively a 90km flat time trial; make it so that the riders actually believe they can pick up a lead and defend it in the race, rather than being sitting ducks to Martin and Cancellara.

Patterned after Nordic Combined, however, I absolutely would NOT ban slipstreaming.
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Old 01-25-12, 09:23
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You can't ban slipstreaming, you could have 50 riders starting within a minute of each other, impossible to stop them all from slipstreaming. Anyway, it would be a pretty stupid idea nonetheless. It doesn't work in XC skiing either, really. Had there been snow in the 35 km in Tour de Ski, a group of about 30 would've arrived together and not even Cologna (XC skiing's Cancellara) would've been able to stay away.
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'a chase race', 'slip streaming would not be allowed', '90-100km'

it looks like an unnaturally long tt with the only noticeable difference being that the leaders start first
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Old 01-25-12, 09:38
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'a chase race', 'slip streaming would not be allowed', '90-100km'

it looks like an unnaturally long tt with the only noticeable difference being that the leaders start first
Indeed. Bavarianrider proposes what the Tour has been doing for the last two years. Just with the excitement getting lower rather than higher throughout the event.
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Old 01-25-12, 10:21
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The talk of a pursuit has been mooted on the forums a few times.

For a GT, I think it would never work; the start would be great, with the battle for the win, but you'd then have rouleur domestiques and sprinters starting hours after the main contenders had finished, battling over the right to finish 160th and it would hold no interest whatsoever except for the trackstands by those competing for the lanterne rouge. It would also require the roads be closed for a similar amount of time as a time trial, if not more, but instead of the crowds getting bigger as time goes by, they could watch the leaders then call it a day and go home while the likes of Bert Grabsch and Aleksandr Kuschynski are still waiting to start.

In a short stage race, I think it could make a great addition - a race like the TDU, where the last rider was 47 minutes down coming into the final stage, would be ideal for this, as you wouldn't have such a long period of downtime at the end. The course would perhaps need to be slightly hilly, so it's not just a power test and effectively a 90km flat time trial; make it so that the riders actually believe they can pick up a lead and defend it in the race, rather than being sitting ducks to Martin and Cancellara.

Patterned after Nordic Combined, however, I absolutely would NOT ban slipstreaming.
I'd like to see it in some form, but it would be difficult to know how exactly to do it.

Maybe you could do it in waves of say, 30 at a time. The maximum starting interval could be 1 or 2 minutes (so you don't have a 10 minute wait between rider 152 and 153). That way you could have still have those at the bottom of GC going early in the day, and the top30 being the climax. There would be unique tactics which come into play for the stage win and GC.

If you ran a traditional pursuit (#1 goes first at the start of the day) I think it would be best early on in a stage race, a day after a climb something like Pena Cabarga.

A novel concept, and I doubt it could ever be a serious feature in cycling.

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Old 01-25-12, 10:32
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I'd like to see it in some form, but it would be difficult to know how exactly to do it.

Maybe you could do it in waves of say, 30 at a time. The maximum starting interval could be 1 or 2 minutes (so you don't have a 10 minute wait between rider 152 and 153). That way you could have still have those at the bottom of GC going early in the day, and the top30 being the climax. There would be unique tactics which come into play for the stage win and GC.

If you ran a traditional pursuit (#1 goes first at the start of the day) I think it would be best early on in a stage race, a day after a climb something like Pena Cabarga.

A novel concept, and I doubt it could ever be a serious feature in cycling.
I think it could work quite well instead of the short time trial in a race like the Critérium International; have a stage to open up gaps, a flat semitappe, then a pursuit race of 40 or 50km, perhaps on a circuit with a hill in it. The guys near the front could choose to work together to keep the bunch at bay, or go it alone.
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I think it could work quite well instead of the short time trial in a race like the Critérium International; have a stage to open up gaps, a flat semitappe, then a pursuit race of 40 or 50km, perhaps on a circuit with a hill in it. The guys near the front could choose to work together to keep the bunch at bay, or go it alone.
What effect will this have on the race dynamics in stage 1? If you finish alone with a big gap ahead of a bigger group (as Alberto Contador tends to do) you're screwed. No way you'll stay away from those guys in the pursuit stage.
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What effect will this have on the race dynamics in stage 1? If you finish alone with a big gap ahead of a bigger group (as Alberto Contador tends to do) you're screwed. No way you'll stay away from those guys in the pursuit stage.
If it's tricky enough then the people who have domestiques should hopefully be far enough back; then the riders behind have the decision to make; do we go it alone? Do we work as an elite bunch to bring back the leader? Do we sit up and let them get a bigger gap, and wait for our domestiques, then rely on pulling them back that way? Do we risk letting some of those people behind us back into the race?

For this method, a stage like Peña Cabarga wouldn't be enough; it would need to be one of those that opens up significant gaps. Either that or the time trial distance is shortened according to the difficulty of the stage before.
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there already is a 'chase race', it's on the track
if you want more excitement in bike racing, support the 6-days! Bremen just finished, Berlin is coming up. 2 or 3 chases per night for 6 nights straight.
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