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Old 12-13-12, 12:47
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Once Alberto wins multiple Olympics golds on the track and in the TT, then yes, using that reasoning.
They said a road legend. Obviously they already see him as a track legend.
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They said a road legend. Obviously they already see him as a track legend.
I stand corrected then.
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Once Alberto wins multiple Olympics golds on the track and in the TT, then yes, using that reasoning.
I wasn't being completely serious. IMO greatness is something that is awarded often by nature of the panache and passion a rider displays in victory and in even at failed attempts at victory, not necessarily by the quantity of their successes. And just as equal in importance is the passion that the rider's exploits creates in the true fans of the sport. It's why Pantani is held is such high esteem and why, for me, Contador is one of the greats. The joy you get in watching them compete, the emotions that are uncontrollably enhanced in witnessing them do what they do best.
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For me, in my completely biased opinion Alberto is the best rider ever
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I wasn't being completely serious. IMO greatness is something that is awarded often by nature of the panache and passion a rider displays in victory and in even at failed attempts at victory, not necessarily by the quantity of their successes. And just as equal in importance is the passion that the rider's exploits creates in the true fans of the sport. It's why Pantani is held is such high esteem and why, for me, Contador is one of the greats. The joy you get in watching them compete, the emotions that are uncontrollably enhanced in witnessing them do what they do best.
The man changes his organics and nature to become a GT rider. Does it require less 'panache and passion'. Just say you don't like Wiggins because he doesn't give any climbing show. This would be quite honest.
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Now the UCI and Alberto have reached an "undisclosed financial agreement" after the governing body tried to impose a $US3.1 million ($A2.95 million) fine. It gets better and better
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The rest of the world sees things differently than we do,

They don't understand This Thing of Ours.

they have very basic and incredibly innacurate ideas of what cycling is, how it works, what is important, who watches it, even who participates.
And e they are spectacularly uninformed when it comes to doping.

They of course only care about 1 race.

But they are the ones who control the press, the media and hence the perception of the masses.

For me Contador always was the weapon with which we fight that other world view. The ambassador of our sport. The one who can achieve things by winning multiple Tours.

Thats why I call him "The Great One". Its a special relationship

The Tour de France its itself a underwhelming race that only takes up 3 weeks of the season, but we need someone to carry the flag, get their name out there and represent our sport. And contador, polite, talented, from a big cycling country that isnt France, is good representative.

The Tour is business. Its for that other world.

The rest of the year is for us We few, we happy few, we cycling fans.
Hitch, my eyes got a little misty reading that. Quite nice!
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The man changes his organics and nature to become a GT rider. Does it require less 'panache and passion'. Just say you don't like Wiggins because he doesn't give any climbing show. This would be quite honest.
Wiggins doesn't instill any excitement in me when I watch him race. You ignored the part of my post that said greatness isn't measured solely on quantity of victories/successes. Technically Wiggins could be considered one of the greats solely on the unprecedented season he had in 2012. Roche's overall palmares aren't overwhelming but the fact that he won the Tour, Giro and world road race championship in one season makes him one of the greats, when looking at that one season. Part of greatness is the accomplishments/events that stick in your mind such that it plays back like a movie that has been permanently downloaded to your memory, leaving one with the ability to play back the details with remarkable clarity.
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He can surpass the cannibal in one aspect quite easily: winning the 3 gt more than once. I believe only Hinault has done that so far. Yet, Contador, like a few greats of the past, will have less wins that he could have acheived if he had a chance to compete. Barred from one tour because of his team (astana) and penalized for two other GT he still is among the top cyclists ever.
Eddy also won a fistful of classics and even Six Day races on the track. He was successful in everything he attempted. That is why Contador can't be rated higher than Eddy or Hinault who also won world titles and classics although he could end up with a better Tour record and will still be considered one of the great grand tour riders. Coppi would also rate highly.
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