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Old 02-18-13, 15:54
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Giro d'Italia 2011, Stage 9, Final climb Monte Etna, from 8 Km remaining to 1 Km remaining = 7 Km


Elevation / Höhenmeter [m] : 466 m
Distance / Streckenlänge [Km] : 7.0 Km
Time in seconds / Fahrzeit in Sekunden [sec] : 1020 = 17 min 10 sec = 17:10
Weight rider / Gewicht Fahrer [kg] : 62 kg
Weight bicycle, clothes etc. / Gewicht Fahrrad [kg] : 8 kg

Grade / mittlere Seigung : 6.6 %
Average speed / mittlere Geschwindigkeit : 24.4 Km/h
Total weight / Gesamtgewicht : 70.0 kg

Power : 411.0 Watt
Power / kg : 6.6 Watt / kg

Source: [ http://www.rst.mp-all.de/bergauf.htm ]

Note: Strong head wind and cross wind. Power value is likely higher.

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Tour de France 2012, Stage 7, Final Climb La Planche des Belles Filles

Distance: 5.9 Km , Grade: 8.5 % , Elevation: 503 m


Chris Froome, Time: 16:16 , Speed: 21.76 Kph, VAM 1855 m/h, 6.50 W/kg

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La Planche des Belles Filles "1 minute faster"

Distance: 5.9 Km , Grade: 8.5 % , Elevation: 503 m

Time: 15:16, Speed: 23.19 Kph, VAM 1977 m/h, 6.93 W/kg
Straight from the power discussion in the clinic. Contador had headwind on Etna, don't know about PDBF
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No need to get defensive. YOU made a claim that you thought Froome's form would be superior to Contador's come July (in an Alberto Contador discussion thread no less!) without any supporting reasoning. So why do you think Froome's top end form will be superior to Contador's? It is a fair question.
I don't know if he means form as in "limit - 100% and Froome is riding at 99%, Contador 97%" rather form as in Froome will be better.
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Straight from the power discussion in the clinic. Contador had headwind on Etna, don't know about PDBF
Different situations, but Froome certainly was not at his limit on PDBF.
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I wouldn't say Contador couldn't ride Etna faster. Anyway sometimes he was slowing down a bit, talking to Rujano, exploring Scarponi's face, but anyone is unlikely to say Froome could not have ridden Planche des Belles Filles better if he had not ridden for the team. The fact how brutally he cut Evans into halves in a finish sprint says a lot.
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I'm not defensive. What support reasoning do you expect from me? That is just the way I feel. You are free to feel differently. If we open the Tour poll today 50% (or a bit less) of posters will vote for Froome and what? Will you demand supporting reasonings from them and ask them wrong for lack of these reasonings?

Froome is a better time trialist and not worse climber. Though he is able to gain seconds in the mountains as well.
Relax chief. You ARE getting defensive. It's a cycling forum. I was just curious if you had any rationale beyond that's "my opinion." I'm always interested in folks thoughts about these things (why I participate in these discussions). And yes, if someone made a conclusory statement like your statement, I'd ask them as well (sorry, you aren't special ) for the same reason.
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Relax chief. You ARE getting defensive. It's a cycling forum. I was just curious if you had any rationale beyond that's "my opinion." I'm always interested in folks thoughts about these things (why I participate in these discussions). And yes, if someone us made a conclusory statement like your statement, I'd ask them as well (sorry, you aren't special ) for the same reason.
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Straight from the power discussion in the clinic. Contador had headwind on Etna, don't know about PDBF
Higher VAM is easier on a steeper climb right?
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Higher VAM is easier on a steeper climb right?
Yeah, and it's also easier and on a short climb instead of doing on the last 6k of a 20km climb with significant headwind
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Yeah, and it's also easier and on a short climb instead of doing on the last 6k of a 20km climb with significant headwind
True that, in other words a fine performance by Alberto.
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