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Old 08-02-12, 13:12
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Wow first time since Hector Guerra ( ) that I will pull for a foreigner to win the best stages of the damn thing: Atapuma! Still, for the overall I wouldn't mind seeing Mestre win again. Seems like a very humble guy; a lot like Ribeiro before suspension

@Libertine: I can find another positive. We still have a race even with all the financial troubles

About the route:
Prologue - a bit too short I think, they could have at least doubled it.
Stage 1 - if the heat is on we'll probably see someone get dropped hard on those small climbs.
Stage 4 - I want Serra do Alvão! And I'm also tired of Sra. da Graça. What about a finish in Ermelo? They could probably use Marão on the run in and then the finish is 3.5km@7%. It would be something different at least.
Stage 7 - The finish is supposed to be quite hard. It remains to be seen.
Stage 8 - I just hope there isn't headwind on the climb. It's a typical stage of the Volta but I would like to see a different approach. Perhaps Seia and Covilhã as somewhat early climbs and then in the end the climb from Unhais da Serra to the Torre. This side of the climb has a sterrato sector and the final part (~5km) is the same as from Covilhã with the famous tunnel.
Stage 9 - Probably there'll be tail to cross wind so that will probably reduce the differences that a specialist could do, right?
Stage 10 - There are probably a hundred short-very steep climbs in that city. At least put a couple of them there and you can still finish on the Avenida da Liberdade. This stage should be like a Tour de Flanders without the cobbles. Or Monsanto at least.

Looking forward to see Atapuma, Reus, Rafael Reis. Although with the amount of wind we have these last couple of months, it can turn into a bordures race
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Old 08-03-12, 08:10
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@Libertine: I can find another positive. We still have a race even with all the financial troubles
Indeed, Joaquim Gomes does a good, and very difficult, job..

Still, I would like to see the format of the race change a bit, to a more conventional one week race.
We have the potential to really nice routes. Hilly stages, mountain stages, cobbles..you name it. The lack of funding limits the choices of the organization. I guess Benfica should return, to improve funding..

I guess they can't remove Sra da Graça because Celorico de Basto pays a lot for that stage, even though it is really overused.

Still, the field has surprised me .
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Old 08-06-12, 13:58
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Whoever wins should write a cheque to whichever sadsack failed to give endura a wildcard.

Only suits can deny JTL.

Suits and constant injuries.
jtl would get owned by coldeportes

very interesting will be the team of funvic. the richest team in latin america. looking forward to magno praod and gregory panizzo.

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Stage 7 - The finish is supposed to be quite hard. It remains to be seen.
Is it?
Looking at the profile I can't figure out why to be honest...?
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Old 08-12-12, 20:05
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Is it?
Looking at the profile I can't figure out why to be honest...?
Gomes had talked of an uphill finish in Sabugal, and the original profile had a ludicrous glitch that jumped about 150m in under a kilometre, a rise that exists nowhere at all around Sabugal itself. Therefore, the understanding was that there was an uphill finish, but it was not clear how difficult it was going to be as we didn't have a last-kms-profile or detailed map of the finish, and only had the glitched profile to go on.

Now, the last 2km will have a bit of a hill in them, but nothing that will trouble all but the most miserably bad of climbers.

This is pretty miserable though, it confirms the route is actually even worse than anticipated. It's like there are two climbs, a TT and nothing else. The uphill finish in Guarda is gone, and has been replaced by nothing. The cobbled climb of Gouveia after the big climb of Penhas Douradas has gone, and has been replaced by nothing. The cat.2 finish at Monte Assunção has gone, and has been replaced by nothing. The stage to Monte Farinha is a one-climb stage, which the climb isn't really hard enough to be. It's a good climb, but needs something like Monte do Viso or the Alto Campanhó to lead in to it - this also usually means good racing as it's short enough to tempt riders to attack on the penultimate climb. That's how Hernâni Broco got into the GC mix in 2010.

It seems the race is sadly going the way of the Volta a Catalunya; bank everything on one or two stages, and have the rest just be holding station. Maybe they're hoping Sergio Ribeiro can make the podium and remind us all of that f***ing joke that was Cândido Barbosa in 2007.

I know Gomes has had to work hard to even produce a race this last few years, but come on, are you really meaning to say that this is all they could do? Just off the top of my head with two minutes, I offer this suggestion to make stage 5 into an actually relevant one:
Going from Armamar, instead of turning west along the river at Castro Daire, continue south to São Pedro do Sul. Then head to the north over the extremely difficult Alto de São Macário (when staying on the main road not doing the last few hundred metres up to the chapel it's 9,2km @ 9,1%), descending towards Arouca. You could have the same cat.3 climb as they have in the race as the run in (and then not have the extra lap around the finish, to make the run-in harder and easier for breaks to escape and tempt GC men to attack), or you could leave Arouca and double back on yourself to climb the Serra da Freita, which would probably be another cat.1 climb (about 12km @ 6%), before descending down to have about 10km flat before the slight uphill rise to the finish.
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Old 08-12-12, 20:06
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Is it?
Looking at the profile I can't figure out why to be honest...?
It's supposed to be an hard hill top finish.
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Old 08-12-12, 21:23
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It's supposed to be an hard hill top finish.
Revised (amended) profile says it's just an inconsequential rise, nothing challenging at all.


Anyhow.

Here is the official profile for stage 5:


Here's the profile of my proposed alterations to it:
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Gomes had talked of an uphill finish in Sabugal, and the original profile had a ludicrous glitch that jumped about 150m in under a kilometre, a rise that exists nowhere at all around Sabugal itself. Therefore, the understanding was that there was an uphill finish, but it was not clear how difficult it was going to be as we didn't have a last-kms-profile or detailed map of the finish, and only had the glitched profile to go on.

Now, the last 2km will have a bit of a hill in them, but nothing that will trouble all but the most miserably bad of climbers.

This is pretty miserable though, it confirms the route is actually even worse than anticipated. It's like there are two climbs, a TT and nothing else. The uphill finish in Guarda is gone, and has been replaced by nothing. The cobbled climb of Gouveia after the big climb of Penhas Douradas has gone, and has been replaced by nothing. The cat.2 finish at Monte Assunção has gone, and has been replaced by nothing. The stage to Monte Farinha is a one-climb stage, which the climb isn't really hard enough to be. It's a good climb, but needs something like Monte do Viso or the Alto Campanhó to lead in to it - this also usually means good racing as it's short enough to tempt riders to attack on the penultimate climb. That's how Hernâni Broco got into the GC mix in 2010.

It seems the race is sadly going the way of the Volta a Catalunya; bank everything on one or two stages, and have the rest just be holding station. Maybe they're hoping Sergio Ribeiro can make the podium and remind us all of that f***ing joke that was Cândido Barbosa in 2007.

I know Gomes has had to work hard to even produce a race this last few years, but come on, are you really meaning to say that this is all they could do? Just off the top of my head with two minutes, I offer this suggestion to make stage 5 into an actually relevant one:
Going from Armamar, instead of turning west along the river at Castro Daire, continue south to São Pedro do Sul. Then head to the north over the extremely difficult Alto de São Macário (when staying on the main road not doing the last few hundred metres up to the chapel it's 9,2km @ 9,1%), descending towards Arouca. You could have the same cat.3 climb as they have in the race as the run in (and then not have the extra lap around the finish, to make the run-in harder and easier for breaks to escape and tempt GC men to attack), or you could leave Arouca and double back on yourself to climb the Serra da Freita, which would probably be another cat.1 climb (about 12km @ 6%), before descending down to have about 10km flat before the slight uphill rise to the finish.
do you ever say anything possible ever?
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Old 08-12-12, 22:33
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do you ever say anything possible ever?
Not about routes that don't merit anything positive being said about them, no.

Where are the difficult stages here? Stage 1 should be pretty good, but then it's a one-climb 8km sprint up Senhora da Graça, an ITT and the always-awesome Torre. But everything else is just spinning the wheels. Feels like the 2011 Volta a Catalunya - a climb to Pal and six sprints of varying degrees of mild uphill.
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there are reasons for that. economic crisis
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