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Old 01-05-13, 13:06
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According to reports Mirador of Ezaro, Collado de Gallina and Fuente De are all set to repeat

We may have to wait until Purito and Valverde end their careers for Unipublic to have a different approach.
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Honestly, I begin to stop keepin the pace with you.
When Giro had 8 mtf was the best. When Tour had 2 1/2 was the worst. From this I deduce you all love mountain stages. Tour is always bad because it has a lot of plain stages. So, 11 is too much fun? Like too much cake?
Or this is the confirmation of the fact that some of you will never be happy with any route? You know 2 years ago when everybody screamed and yelled Grand Colombier? And when it came.....wow, worst route ever. I know it was 40 km to the finish, but it was there. That would not have been a problem for a rider who actually wanted to won the Tour/or the stage. Look at the stages in 50s, 60s, 70s. Please count the MTF in those years. I happen to have a magazine with mountains of the Tour, and for example, in Pyrenees, from 1950, it's less than 1MTF/Tour if you do the math. And Tours from 95 to present got that percent up.
Or is it that they don't do multiple climbs stages? It's Spain. I know on mapmyride.com you can make great stages. But, did you checked the quality of the road? Just saying.
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Old 01-05-13, 13:42
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Or is it that they don't do multiple climbs stages? It's Spain. I know on mapmyride.com you can make great stages. But, did you checked the quality of the road? Just saying.
yes to both the questions.
It's Spain, not Denmark. There are climbs there.
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yes to both the questions.
It's Spain, not Denmark. There are climbs there.
Don't be rude!

We have The Sky Mountain (147m tall hill)
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yes to both the questions.
It's Spain, not Denmark. There are climbs there.
Ok then. I will have to believe you because I can't check it myself.
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Old 01-05-13, 13:49
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Don't be rude!

We have The Sky Mountain (147m tall hill)

It must be an epic ride!
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I think that ASO wants to give both the Vuelta and Tour a specific character. Vuelta, lopsided with climbs. Tour, lopsided with bunch sprints.
Thats a very good point. La Vuelta is quickly being redesigned as the "climbers tour", making sure that someone like say, Evans in his heyday or even Wiggins, would struggle to win. TDF is all about the all-rounder, climber vs triallist, whereas the Vuelta is now more geared to classic duels on the mountain.
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Thats a very good point. La Vuelta is quickly being redesigned as the "climbers tour", making sure that someone like say, Evans in his heyday or even Wiggins, would struggle to win. TDF is all about the all-rounder, climber vs triallist, whereas the Vuelta is now more geared to classic duels on the mountain.
wrong, the vuelta has become a GT for the best uphill sprinter in the peloton simple as that.

1 mountain less then 200km long stages are not stages for the real climbers.

some visual aid:

this is a mountain stage:



a mountain stage this is not:


this is a mountain stage:


a mountain stage this is not:

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Ok then. I will have to believe you because I can't check it myself.
Just to make things clearer, it's absolutely true that in the old times people used to attack in almost any kind of terrain, but unfortunately cycling has changed in these later years. Teams are stronger, materials and general condition have improved so it's more difficult to make the difference. Cycling has become easier than it was.
Plus, riders are less willing to risk their position because of many factors (example the Uci point system).
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Honestly, I begin to stop keepin the pace with you.
When Giro had 8 mtf was the best. When Tour had 2 1/2 was the worst. From this I deduce you all love mountain stages. Tour is always bad because it has a lot of plain stages. So, 11 is too much fun? Like too much cake?
Or this is the confirmation of the fact that some of you will never be happy with any route? You know 2 years ago when everybody screamed and yelled Grand Colombier? And when it came.....wow, worst route ever. I know it was 40 km to the finish, but it was there. That would not have been a problem for a rider who actually wanted to won the Tour/or the stage. Look at the stages in 50s, 60s, 70s. Please count the MTF in those years. I happen to have a magazine with mountains of the Tour, and for example, in Pyrenees, from 1950, it's less than 1MTF/Tour if you do the math. And Tours from 95 to present got that percent up.
Or is it that they don't do multiple climbs stages? It's Spain. I know on mapmyride.com you can make great stages. But, did you checked the quality of the road? Just saying.

many people here criticise the Vuelta mainly because there are no mutiple Mt stages and lack of variety in mountain stages.
And Spain definitely has the terrain and decent enough roads to make it happen.

Also regarding climbs which are far away from the finish, one must realize that Pro bike racing is much different from the 60s and 70s and such stages these days rarely have an impact at all on the GC classifications these days and having very few MTFs along with a reasonable no of TT KMs only lead to boring racing as we saw with this year.
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