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View Poll Results: Who will win the 2013 Tour
Alberto Contador 61 63.54%
Cristopher Froome 25 26.04%
Andy Schleck 6 6.25%
Vincenzo Nibali 2 2.08%
Cadel Evans / Teehay Van Garderen 2 2.08%
Ryder Hesjedal 1 1.04%
Alejandro Valverde / Juan Jose Cobo 1 1.04%
Other (specify) 1 1.04%
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What do 'real climbers' imply? But there was a grandiose team mountain work probably the most impressive one since CSC in the 2008 Tour. Froome is not a real climber? Are you kidding? While on form the guy is able to burn out any uphill. He's got an excellent explosive power. He is better than say Andy in this regard, however he is allegedly a real climber.
Contador couldn't drop Andy from 2010 on. Andy matched his accelerations immediately, except from Mende, where Andy was on a bad day.

No way, Froome accelerates harder than Andy.
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Contador couldn't drop Andy from 2010 on. Andy matched his accelerations immediately, except from Mende, where Andy was on a bad day.

No way, Froome accelerates harder than Andy.
In 2013 we will see the real Alberto, Andy and Froomedog will cry cos they get their *** beaten so badly.

By the way what about Alpe dHuez 2011? Or stage 16 (?)
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What do 'real climbers' imply? But there was a grandiose team mountain work probably the most impressive one since CSC in the 2008 Tour. Froome is not a real climber? Are you kidding? While on form the guy is able to burn out any uphill. He's got an excellent explosive power. He is better than say Andy in this regard, however he is allegedly a real climber.
How do you even know this when he never faced the riders that are considered top climbers? Sure, he climbs better than JVDB, Nibali and Wiggins on relatively easy MTF's. But hey, outclimbing JVDB, Nibali and Wiggins is a walk in the park for Contador and in-shape Schleck.

That' why this TDF will be so exciting; for the fist tim we'll actually get to see how Froome does against the best climbers. Finally, after almost two years we'll get to see what Froome is really worth. Is he going to keep up with the big climbers on a real climb, like say, Ventoux. This is the question we're all asking, and we don't have an answer, we jus have our own speculations, up untill we see it happen in June.
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Contador couldn't drop Andy from 2010 on. Andy matched his accelerations immediately, except from Mende, where Andy was on a bad day.

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What do 'real climbers' imply? But there was a grandiose team mountain work probably the most impressive one since CSC in the 2008 Tour. Froome is not a real climber? Are you kidding? While on form the guy is able to burn out any uphill. He's got an excellent explosive power. He is better than say Andy in this regard, however he is allegedly a real climber.
IMO Froome is not a 'real climber',but it is only speculation.I dont know,you dont know if he is or isnt,we all hope that will see next year.
Real climber for me is a guy who can accelerate multiple times in mountain stage and puts down destroying attacks against the best climbers (Schleck,Contador) and hurt them with his attacks

to 1.bolded:
He is not able to do this against explosive riders like Purito,Alberto or Andy.

to 2.bolded
He is not more explosive than Andy,you will see on Vetoux(where will Andy attack IMO)
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what? quintana is already better climber than froome. see final stages of the tour and he's only 23. quintana is the best climber I've sene since pantani. he will become a legend
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Ok I' ll clear up.

Ascent to Alpe, Contador was no threat anymore, different to the early attack. Andy cared about Evans only.

Stage 16....was Contador dropped by Evans' accelerations on Galibier? No, he just suffered that day.

In the same way Andy wasn't outpaced that day, in my opinion. Also, he didn't knew tactically, what to do. Waiting for Fränk, working together afterwards? Sure, Andy suffered from the weather.

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Ok I' ll clear up.

Ascent to Alpe, Contador was no threat anymore, different to the early attack. Andy cared about Evans only.

Stage 16....was Contador dropped by Evans' accelerations on Galibier? No, he just suffered that day.

In the same way Andy wasn't outpaced that day, in my opinion. Also, he didn't knew tactically, what to do. Waiting for Fränk, working together afterwards? Sure, Andy suffered from the weather.

I'll go out now, please be patient for further answers.
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Contador couldn't drop Andy from 2010 on. Andy matched his accelerations immediately, except from Mende, where Andy was on a bad day.

No way, Froome accelerates harder than Andy.
WHY? Because no one can't be on their level or what? Lol. Froome's manner is more sharpened for attacks. It's quite obvious.
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Stage 16....was Contador dropped by Evans' accelerations on Galibier? No, he just suffered that day.
Would Contador have been dropped if Evans hadn't pulled so brutally? Of course not. It's an excellent justification not to look up to other's strength. Was he dropped cos' he suffered. . It's sort of a captivity of stereotypes like a superclimber can not be dropped with rapid steady pace. But this is not the case. because everyone can be dropped.



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He is not able to do this against explosive riders like Purito,Alberto or Andy.
It's wrong. You do conclusion on Froome mostly on the 2012 Vuelta where he lost rather to his bad shape than to Contador. However when you rate Contador, you act like Vuelta didn't exist. Ok, let's declare that since Vuelta there are two or three equal climbers - Contador, Purito and Alex. Agree? But when one says Froome is not an explosive climber... I don't know how one should watch races to think so.
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He is not more explosive than Andy,you will see on Vetoux(where will Andy attack IMO
Unfortunately, it is an old light-geared Andy. Nowadays he pedals in a more thickset way. After 2009 his trainers changed his work a bit to improve TT skills almost unsuccessfully.
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Sure, he climbs better than JVDB, Nibali and Wiggins on relatively easy MTF's. But hey, outclimbing JVDB, Nibali and Wiggins is a walk in the park for Contador and in-shape Schleck.
It was so in 2010, what it is going to happen in 2013 we can only guess. Nibali doesn't have a tag 'i'll never be able to climb like schleck and contador' on his forehead. Froome is on the biggest rise among current big guns.

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