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View Poll Results: Who will win the 2013 Tour
Alberto Contador 61 63.54%
Cristopher Froome 25 26.04%
Andy Schleck 6 6.25%
Vincenzo Nibali 2 2.08%
Cadel Evans / Teehay Van Garderen 2 2.08%
Ryder Hesjedal 1 1.04%
Alejandro Valverde / Juan Jose Cobo 1 1.04%
Other (specify) 1 1.04%
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That's the strongest support Contador has ever had by absolutely miles, given that when he was on the same team as Armstrong, the rest were very much Armstrong's support riders than his.

I'm actually sort of curious about what use Contador will have for them. It's not like he needs a mountain train. His rivals would probably benefit more than him if these guys set some strong, metronomic, pace. I'm guessing that he'll be sending some of those high level climbers off up the road quite a lot.
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you give woman such a bad name. it's pathetic really. you remind me of those idiot girls that would be screaming at a concert.
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you give woman such a bad name. it's pathetic really. you remind me of those idiot girls that would be screaming at a concert.
Oh it's tuesday night...wed. morning...is it troll night? This is the weakest statement in a while by far. Hope she doesn't take it personally.
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Plenty of guys do the Tour-Vuelta. Of course he wasn't on top form, but this guy didn't race a lot this year. He basically did nothing and then hit form out of nowhere at the Dauphiné. Contador on the other hand didn't race for many months(nothing after the Tour in 2011 with only San Luis and Eneco Tour before the Vuelta) and still won the Vuelta. You think that doesn't affect your performance level?

Sastre won the Tour and got third at the Vuelta in the same year for example. I was more impressed with his performance that year than Froome's performance this year.
Read my last post I made before the one you quoted. Of course not having much racing days affected Contador, I never said it didn't. But racing the Tour as domestique had a worse affect on Froomes form than not enough racing had on Contadors form.
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But racing the Tour as domestique had a worse affect on Froomes form than not enough racing had on Contadors form.
How can you support that? Better be good.
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Read my last post I made before the one you quoted. Of course not having much racing days affected Contador, I never said it didn't. But racing the Tour as domestique had a worse affect on Froomes form than not enough racing had on Contadors form.
Where's the proof for that? Would Froome have won the Vuelta had he been in Contador's shoes? Who knows... Normally a rider doesn't do well in his first big race when he comes back after a ban. And remember: Contador had barely raced since the 2011 Tour, so it might as well have been a one year ban.
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Where's the proof for that? Would Froome have won the Vuelta had he been in Contador's shoes? Who knows... Normally a rider doesn't do well in his first big race when he comes back after a ban. And remember: Contador had barely raced since the 2011 Tour, so it might as well have been a one year ban.
Really? It was pretty obvious in the Vuelta that Froome was fatigued and his form on a downward trend. And Contador got better the further into the Vuelta they went. One of them was suffering from lack of race days, the other from too much racing prior to Vuelta. It's pretty obvious that racing the tour had more of a negative effect on Froomes form and chances in the Vuelta then not enough racing had on Contadors form and chances in the Vuelta.

I'm not saying Froome had he not done the tour would have beaten Contador in the Vuleta, but he wouldn't have been 10 minutes back.
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That's the strongest support Contador has ever had by absolutely miles, given that when he was on the same team as Armstrong, the rest were very much Armstrong's support riders than his.

I'm actually sort of curious about what use Contador will have for them. It's not like he needs a mountain train. His rivals would probably benefit more than him if these guys set some strong, metronomic, pace. I'm guessing that he'll be sending some of those high level climbers off up the road quite a lot.
Contador might not need them, but when it comes to the TDF Contador leaves no stone unturned.

I dont think he will attack every mountain stage like 2011 giro and 2012 vuelta, He will attack on 1 maybe 2 stages to break everyone, supplement the gap to andy anyway in the tts, then the train will be there in case he needs to bring Andy back on some new wannabe Mercx attempts in the high mountain stages, or if he feels good and wants a high pace on early climbs, theyll be there just in case.

If he is on form, it might turn out that the train was a total waste of money and he could have won without them, but he does not want to take that risk.
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Really? It was pretty obvious in the Vuelta that Froome was fatigued and his form on a downward trend. And Contador got better the further into the Vuelta they went. One of them was suffering from lack of race days, the other from too much racing prior to Vuelta. It's pretty obvious that racing the tour had more of a negative effect on Froomes form and chances in the Vuelta then not enough racing had on Contadors form and chances in the Vuelta.

I'm not saying Froome had he not done the tour would have beaten Contador in the Vuleta, but he wouldn't have been 10 minutes back.
It's pretty obvious? Tired from the Tour? You're repeating yourself. Think about it, how much effort did Froome put in the Tour?. Gesink finished 2 minutes back from Froome, and he had a good excused to finish 6th. Try again maybe?
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It's pretty obvious? Tired from the Tour? You're repeating yourself. Think about it, how much effort did Froome put in the Tour?. Gesink finished 2 minutes back from Froome, and he had a good excused to finish 6th. Try again maybe?
I don't understand the confusion on this. Froome was fatigued in the Vuelta, before the Vuelta he raced Romandie, Dauphine, the Tour, and the Olympics. Racing a lot is what causes fatigue in a rider. So Froome was fatigued in the Vuelta because of the racing he did right before entering it in the Olympics, Tour, and Dauphine (can also be included).

Why are you denying Froome was fatigued? Isn't this something that has been accepted by everyone? Unless you think Contador (a Contador that wasn't even in top form) is just naturally 10 minutes stronger than Froome?

Also Gesink is far below Froome's level.
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