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View Poll Results: Who will win the 2013 Tour
Alberto Contador 61 63.54%
Cristopher Froome 25 26.04%
Andy Schleck 6 6.25%
Vincenzo Nibali 2 2.08%
Cadel Evans / Teehay Van Garderen 2 2.08%
Ryder Hesjedal 1 1.04%
Alejandro Valverde / Juan Jose Cobo 1 1.04%
Other (specify) 1 1.04%
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Old 11-21-12, 02:02
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Why are you denying Froome was fatigued? Isn't this something that has been accepted by everyone?
Based on what? Accepted by everyone? Hint: see Valverde's season.

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Unless you think Contador (a Contador that wasn't even in top form) is just naturally 10 minutes stronger than Froome?
Contador was in top form, thus he won a GT.

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Also Gesink is far below Froome's level.
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Old 11-21-12, 02:29
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Based on what? Accepted by everyone? Hint: see Valverde's season.
Now your just trolling, Froome entered the Vuelta as one of the contenders and looked good at first, then he got worse and worse the further into the race he went. Anybody who watched the Vuleta could tell that his form was on a downward slope. As for Valverde, he was coming back from a ban, he needed a GT in his legs. And what did he do at the tour? The only time he was on the front was when he won on Peyragudes. He finished 42 minutes back in 20th place.

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Contador was in top form, thus he won a GT.
Yeah, spending 6 months out of competition gets you in great form . Did you even watch the Vuelta? He didn't have the endurance to maintain his attacks, it was only thanks to Fuente de that he won, and Rodriguez came dangerously close to beating him. If he was in top form he would have won like he did in Giro 2011.
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Old 11-21-12, 02:43
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Valverde rode the Tour full gas?

Froome's 2nd and 4th are obviously much better than Valverde's 20whatever and 2nd.

If Valverde tried as hard as Froome in the Tour it would be 5th and 20whatever.
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Old 11-21-12, 02:48
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Now your just trolling, Froome entered the Vuelta as one of the contenders and looked good at first, then he got worse and worse the further into the race he went. Anybody who watched the Vuleta could tell that his form was on a downward slope.
Troll? You sound like broken record, repeating yourself. Sorry.

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As for Valverde, he was coming back from a ban, he needed a GT in his legs. And what did he do at the tour? The only time he was on the front was when he won on Peyragudes. He finished 42 minutes back in 20th place.
LOL. But did you happen to watch stage 6? Just sayin'.

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Yeah, spending 6 months out of competition gets you in great form . Did you even watch the Vuelta? He didn't have the endurance to maintain his attacks, it was only thanks to Fuente de that he won, and Rodriguez came dangerously close to beating him. If he was in top form he would have won like he did in Giro 2011.
I have news for you, that was Contador in top form. Learn it. Did you know by any chance that Contador was DQ'ed from Giro 2011? Do you want me to tell you why?
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Troll? You sound like broken record, repeating yourself. Sorry.
And you have yet provide any meaningful argument that Froome wasn't fatigued at the Vuelta.

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LOL. But did you happen to watch stage 6? Just sayin'.
Did you happen to see stage 7, 11, 16, 17, and any other stage with a catorgized climb? Froome finished 2nd while working for Wiggins. Where did Valverde finish? 20th, 42 minutes back (and he wasn't working for anyone). Sorry but Valverde did no where near the same amount of work that Froome did.

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I have news for you, that was Contador in top form. Learn it. Did you know by any chance that Contador was DQ'ed from Giro 2011? Do you want me to tell you why?
Now you want to bring up the clinic . He had that result taken away because according to his backdated ban he shouldn't have been there.

You can stop this useless train of thought any time. The facts are Contador wasn't in top shape because of a lack of racing days, Froome was fatigued do to too much racing prior to the Vuelta.
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Contador was in top form, thus he won a GT.
Lol what stupid logic.

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Did you know by any chance that Contador was DQ'ed from Giro 2011? Do you want me to tell you why?
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I have news for you, that was Contador in top form. Learn it.
you are like those drug addicts on the street shouting that the world is about to.end. "because i say so". Difference is no one actually believes you.

Do you think anyone is going to.believe your unexplained theories to heart just because you order them" learn it"
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Troll? You sound like broken record, repeating yourself. Sorry.
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And you have yet provide any meaningful argument that Froome wasn't fatigued at the Vuelta.
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I have news for you, that was Contador in top form. Learn it. Did you know by any chance that Contador was DQ'ed from Giro 2011? Do you want me to tell you why?

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You can stop this useless train of thought any time. The facts are Contador wasn't in top shape because of a lack of racing days, Froome was fatigued do to too much racing prior to the Vuelta.
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If he is on form, it might turn out that the train was a total waste of money and he could have won without them, but he does not want to take that risk.
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Contador
Kreuziger
Majka
Hernandez/Bennati
CAS
Roche
Paulinho
Tosatto
Morkov (good in a TTT), Zaugg (who i love) and Nicki Sorensen as well. Also his best buddy- Noval.

Couldn't some of those train riders go to other races as well- Majka and Kreuziger to Giro.
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In La Toussuire let him go? In Peyragudes stage when he attacked? Pinot didnt take any important advantages due to Sky let him go. Maybe only in Porrentruy stage, not more than 1 minute.
Pinot? No doubt. The stage wasn't a priority for Sky. If Thibaut had attacked without Nibali and VdB, Sky would have done nothing. It is approximately like Rujano on the Etna or Van Endert in the Pyrenees last year. When Rujano made his move, the tempo wasn't going to increase until Contador attacked. Pure tactics. Classical plot.

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Plenty of guys do the Tour-Vuelta. Of course he wasn't on top form, but this guy didn't race a lot this year. He basically did nothing and then hit form out of nowhere at the Dauphiné. Contador on the other hand didn't race for many months(nothing after the Tour in 2011 with only San Luis and Eneco Tour before the Vuelta) and still won the Vuelta. You think that doesn't affect your performance level?
It could and it did, but obviously not that much like in case of Froome. One more trait is Contador never needed the time to jump into shape since Bruyneel times. Even after continuous breaks he usually goes back on the highest level and a bit later on a victorious one. It is the only rider with this characteristic feature.

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Same for Rogers / Porte / Knees ( very underestimated doemstique ).
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Which team will be stronger? Sky or SBTB? Let's make two fives: Froome, Henao, Urán, Kiriyenka, EBH. Contador, Kreuziger, Roche, Majka, CAnkerS. Of course Sky has more alternatives: Locke, Cataldo, Rogers, Porte, Sivtsov, Dombrowski... But IMO SBTB is no far in a nine team.
Lopez as well. If you say Dombrowski Boswell should also be mentioned but i doubt either would be riding the TDF or Giro- the Vuelta would be better for them (if it is like this years) as it would have more climbs and they would probably be more adjusted.

Pate is also underrated- he just did not get a look into the TDF squad.
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