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View Poll Results: Who will win the 2013 Tour
Alberto Contador 61 63.54%
Cristopher Froome 25 26.04%
Andy Schleck 6 6.25%
Vincenzo Nibali 2 2.08%
Cadel Evans / Teehay Van Garderen 2 2.08%
Ryder Hesjedal 1 1.04%
Alejandro Valverde / Juan Jose Cobo 1 1.04%
Other (specify) 1 1.04%
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Doesn't change the fact that Sky's team is the strongest.
It doesn't but equally it doesn't change the fact that they will likely be left chasing shadows when Contador seriously goes. And, in the interest of fairness, when Andy counters or goes himself
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Planches de Belles Filles was ridden so fast that Contador and Schleck would have had to give a cooperative Verbier wattage in order to try to get away on there which is not very likely as it were. However people have no doubt they would attacked successfully. Honestly, while watching that stage I was wondering if it was possible to attack there at all. On Сroix de Fer Sky even without Froome neutralized Evans who was relatively fresh after 90 km of the stage and went all or nothing. To say that Froome or Nibali is a second sort of climbers is not very logical. The contention got tougher on the climbs in comparison to '09 and '10, one should admit this.

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Oh it's tuesday night...wed. morning...is it troll night? This is the weakest statement in a while by far. Hope she doesn't take it personally.
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Valverde rode the Tour full gas?

Froome's 2nd and 4th are obviously much better than Valverde's 20whatever and 2nd.

If Valverde tried as hard as Froome in the Tour it would be 5th and 20whatever.
Something very close to full gas. He did everything he could without considering TT's maybe. Valverde capitulated only on Toussuire. The rest stages are overcome pretty strongly. Anyways he was riding the first GT after suspension and it was Tour with its special requirements. Moreover, in recent history no one performed in the Vuelta after the Tour so good like him. 15 (?) and 2 places is not so impressive as 1/3 (Sastre) and 6/4 (Rodriguez), but it is just amazing what Alex did.
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Your logic is other rider in top shape can not be equal to Contador in top shape just cuz this is Contador. Not too smart as well.

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Something very close to full gas. He did everything he could without considering TT's maybe. Valverde capitulated only on Toussuire. The rest stages are overcome pretty strongly. Anyways he was riding the first GT after suspension and it was Tour with its special requirements. Moreover, in recent history no one performed in the Vuelta after the Tour so good like him. 15 (?) and 2 places is not so impressive as 1/3 (Sastre) and 6/4 (Rodriguez), but it is just amazing what Alex did.
So Valverde, on top form, riding at his limit, wouldn't have been in the lead group on any mountain stage in the Tour?

My point is that comparing Valverde and Froome's Tour-Vuelta is ridiculous because they prioritised different events and hence why Froome was far better in the Tour and Valverde in the Vuelta. The "Valverde wasn't tired in the Vuelta so why would Froome" is false for this reason.
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So Valverde, on top form, riding at his limit, wouldn't have been in the lead group on any mountain stage in the Tour?

My point is that comparing Valverde and Froome's Tour-Vuelta is ridiculous because they prioritised different events and hence why Froome was far better in the Tour and Valverde in the Vuelta. The "Valverde wasn't tired in the Vuelta so why would Froome" is false for this reason.
IMO Valverde rather rode both GT's like sort of experiment and observed how he succeeded. As far as I remember a decision to ride the Vuelta was made shortly before the race? Or you think he prepared for the Vuelta in the Tour? The thing is no matter how Valverde was going Froome gave more effort in the Tour.
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IMO Valverde rather rode both GT's like sort of experiment and observed how he succeeded. As far as I remember a decision to ride the Vuelta was made shortly before the race? Or you think he prepared for the Vuelta in the Tour? The thing is no matter how Valverde was going Froome gave more effort in the Tour.
I think Valverde planned to get a good result in the Tour but early events made that impossible. So he turned it down a notch in the Tour (except for the stage win) and set himself on being at his best for the Vuelta. Something like Menchov in 2007 or Evans in 2009.
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Valverde rode the Tour full gas?

Froome's 2nd and 4th are obviously much better than Valverde's 20whatever and 2nd.

If Valverde tried as hard as Froome in the Tour it would be 5th and 20whatever.
I agree. Once Valverde dropped enough time to realise he would not make the podium he just concerned himself with getting a stage win which he did and was probably already thinking of the Vuelta. I think it was a smart move. He was aiming high before the Tour but decided to forego a reasonable ride in the Tour and go for the Vuelta. But it was obviously good training for him as he rode a great race in the Vuelta. I did not expect him to do so well.
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Your logic is other rider in top shape can not be equal to Contador in top shape just cuz this is Contador. Not too smart as well.
Ever heard of Darwin? Some are just stronger than others. When a lion fights a gazelle the lion wins every time. Yet what you are arguing is that if the lion hasn't fought a gazelle in a while we have to assume the gazelle has grown claws and teeth. and that we are stupid to say otherwise.

Did indurain or.hinault or merckx win 1 gt then step aside. Or did they keep winning?

The strong win and continue to win. You know why?

Cos they are ****ing stronger.
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Ever heard of Darwin? Some are just stronger than others. When a lion fights a gazelle the lion wins every time. Yet what you are arguing is that if the lion hasn't fought a gazelle in a while we have to assume the gazelle has grown claws and teeth. and that we are stupid to say otherwise.

Did indurain or.hinault or merckx win 1 gt then step aside. Or did they keep winning?

The strong win and continue to win. You know why?

Cos they are ****ing stronger.
Hahaha. Man. You're crazy. So Contador will win forever? Is Froome a gazelle? Why do you know it? Nice arguments.
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