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View Poll Results: Who will win 2013 GIRO?
Nibali 90 32.03%
Rodriguez 29 10.32%
Hesjedal 16 5.69%
Basso 9 3.20%
Wiggins 106 37.72%
Scarponi 2 0.71%
Others 29 10.32%
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Old 12-28-12, 07:57
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I don't think Gesink is a serious threat to the overall victory. He stands a pretty fair chance of a podium, though.
Why do you think that, he is a good climber and has a good time trial. If he stays upright he will have a good shot at the win.
Gesink is not a worse climber then Nibali, Basso, Scarponi and Hesjedal. Wiggins in his ultimate form of 2012 would be hard to beat but other then that he has a good shot for the title.
The last year Gesink was in full recovery mode at the beginning of 2012 and when finally beginning to get in vorm he fell hard in the Tour. Without much preperation he managed to be 6th in the Vuelta.

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lets hope Wiggins fails fast
The train will fail if the competitors are serious about winning the race. Plenty of opportunities to derail the Sky Express in the Giro.
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Old 12-28-12, 09:46
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Why do you think that, he is a good climber and has a good time trial. If he stays upright he will have a good shot at the win.
Gesink is not a worse climber then Nibali, Basso, Scarponi and Hesjedal. Wiggins in his ultimate form of 2012 would be hard to beat but other then that he has a good shot for the title.
The last year Gesink was in full recovery mode at the beginning of 2012 and when finally beginning to get in vorm he fell hard in the Tour. Without much preperation he managed to be 6th in the Vuelta.
With all we've seen from him in the last few years he's just an outside contender for a podium. Let's treat him as such.

Maybe a podium in Paris-Nice is a more realistic goal.
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I only agree with you because he's past leg-break and might never return to the pre leg-break level. But his level from before definately had more to it then a outsider to podium...
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In a few stages of the Vuelta he lost 2 minutes to the best climbers. Three years ago he was right up there with Valverde. That's quite a drop in performance. As a climber he's just nowhere near what he was back then. Probably a combination of the leg break and turning into a time trialist

Right now Wiggins, Hesjedal, Nibali, Rujano, Scarponi should all be rated higher as climbers... I'd even rate Kruijswijk higher.
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In a few stages of the Vuelta he lost 2 minutes to the best climbers. Three years ago he was right up there with Valverde. That's quite a drop in performance. As a climber he's just nowhere near what he was back then. Probably a combination of the leg break and turning into a time trialist
You seem completely oblivious to what happened to his leg last year and the crash in this year's TdF.
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You seem completely oblivious to what happened to his leg last year and the crash in this year's TdF.
Not at all. I was surprised by his level in the Vuelta, actually. And of course we can expect him to be a bit better in the Giro. Problem is, he'll have to be a whole lot better to contend for the podium.
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Not at all. I was surprised by his level in the Vuelta, actually. And of course we can expect him to be a bit better in the Giro. Problem is, he'll have to be a whole lot better to contend for the podium.
Check this out. Froome wasn't recovering from an injury and/or had a broken leg.

2012 Vuelta Final GC
1 CONTADOR VELASCO, Alberto (SAXO BANK-TINKOFF BANK)
2 VALVERDE BELMONTE, Alejandro (MOVISTAR) +1:16
3 RODRIGUEZ OLIVER, Joaquin (KATUSHA) +1:37
4 FROOME, Christopher (SKY PROCYCLING) +10:16
5 MORENO FERNANDEZ, Daniel (KATUSHA) +11:29
6 GESINK, Robert (RABOBANK) +12:23

Considering that was an outstanding performance by Gesink IMO.
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With all we've seen from him in the last few years he's just an outside contender for a podium. Let's treat him as such.

Maybe a podium in Paris-Nice is a more realistic goal.
Whilst a few people were confident in Hesjedal, he was quite a large outsider. I think Gesink 2013 is comparable, except coming up against Wiggins/Nibali/Hesjedal is far more difficult.

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Check this out. Froome wasn't injured and/or has a broken leg.

2012 Vuelta Final GC
1 CONTADOR VELASCO, Alberto (SAXO BANK-TINKOFF BANK)
2 VALVERDE BELMONTE, Alejandro (MOVISTAR) +1:16
3 RODRIGUEZ OLIVER, Joaquin (KATUSHA) +1:37
4 FROOME, Christopher (SKY PROCYCLING) +10:16
5 MORENO FERNANDEZ, Daniel (KATUSHA) +11:29
6 GESINK, Robert (RABOBANK) +12:23

Considering that was an outstanding performance by Gesink IMO.
So he finished 11 minutes behind the guy who came 2nd in the Giro...

The performances of both bolded riders mean nothing.
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With all we've seen from him in the last few years he's just an outside contender for a podium. Let's treat him as such.

Maybe a podium in Paris-Nice is a more realistic goal.
When you are a contender for a Podium your also a contender for the Victory imo.
Im sure you did not think that Hesjedal was a contender for victory last year as well, and yet he won. Gesink had a for him poor 2011 and 2012 due to various reasons (2011 - Loss of his father in race crash and fall in the Tour, 2012 crash late 2011 and fall in the Tour)
However still within these so called poor years he still managed to get good results:
2011:
Win of Tour of Oman
2nd at Tirreno-Adriatico
3rd in Vuelta al Pais Vasco aka. Tour of the basque country
2nd at GP de Québec (behind unbeatable Gilbert)
2012:
Win at Tour California
4th Tour of Switzerland
6th Vuelta Espania
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