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View Poll Results: Who will win 2013 GIRO?
Nibali 90 32.03%
Rodriguez 29 10.32%
Hesjedal 16 5.69%
Basso 9 3.20%
Wiggins 106 37.72%
Scarponi 2 0.71%
Others 29 10.32%
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Old 12-29-12, 12:26
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Cunego not riding the 2013 Giro because of Scarponi
http://www.****iociclismo.it/?action...dnotizia=24941
Great news. Cunego would just be an unwelcome distraction for Scarponi. Much like Ulissi will be.
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Old 12-29-12, 12:29
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Is cunego confirmed to do the tour then?
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Old 12-29-12, 13:28
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Surely Scarponi should be looking at a lifetime suspension for a 2nd offence now?
i don't want to go in clinic matters because this is not the place. However Pozzato and Visconti got 3 months for talking with Ferrari, so since it will be an offence with a less than 6 months suspension it probably won't count as a 2nd doping offence.

So probably Scarponi will start the Giro, but being one year older i doubt he will podium anyway.
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That was already the case before his leg break. In the Pais Vasco TT last year, he did better than anyone on the descent/flat... and he had about the 40th time or so on the climb. Since two years he really has to drag himself up the climbs, it's sad but it's true.

What always surprised me is that Breukink kept on saying "Gesink needs a climb in a TT"... no he doesn't, quite the contrary actually. That Breukink really had his finger on the pulse.
In the Tour of Suisse this year he rode a good TT and there was a climb in it. I agree that he is not impressive as he used to be in the climbs, but as I said before that has its reasons. The switch between a pure climber and a ****ty time trialer (much worse than F. Sleck) to a good climber and a good time trialer is hard. Im sure he will find the right balance in 2013. And if he does he has a shot for the titel
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In the Tour of Suisse this year he rode a good TT and there was a climb in it. I agree that he is not impressive as he used to be in the climbs, but as I said before that has its reasons. The switch between a pure climber and a ****ty time trialer (much worse than F. Sleck) to a good climber and a good time trialer is hard. Im sure he will find the right balance in 2013. And if he does he has a shot for the titel
He didn't climb very well in that TdS TT as well, and if you think his climbing was bad in 2011 when his TT improved, you need to rewatch the final of the Dauphine queen stage that year. Gesink was arguably the best climber of the Tour favourites there despite still not being in super shape, and he was still just testing his form with several attacks. Tour winners Evans and Wiggins lost 38 and 23 seconds on him, if he hadn't crashed he could have done a good Tour. But that's just part of being a complete rider.

I don't see him do well in the Giro either, although the course suits him very well with the flat TT. He'll lose much time in the big mountain stages and hills.
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Old 12-29-12, 15:41
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I guess you were braindead during the stelvio stage then
what about the stelvio stage? you mean that he waited for Uran and paced him in the last 3km when it was way too late at that point, since Uran's 5th position in gc was seriously threatened by De Gendt and Cunego from 35km out already? well boohoo
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Old 12-29-12, 17:26
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In the Tour of Suisse this year he rode a good TT and there was a climb in it. I agree that he is not impressive as he used to be in the climbs, but as I said before that has its reasons. The switch between a pure climber and a ****ty time trialer (much worse than F. Sleck) to a good climber and a good time trialer is hard. Im sure he will find the right balance in 2013. And if he does he has a shot for the titel
That Suisse 2010 TT was an anomaly, he was already pretty decent in TTs. Schleck has never been a better time trialist than him. Unfortunately he got labeled an awful time trialist after that.

He has certainly gotten better at flat TTs, purely because his aero position is better. But he's gotten worse at hilly ones, where that doesn't matter as much.
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Since Lampre have Serpa now, there is no point of Cunego starting the Giro.
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Old 12-29-12, 20:01
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Cunego not riding the 2013 Giro because of Scarponi
http://www.****iociclismo.it/?action...dnotizia=24941
Great news.
Let Cunego ride the Vuelta now for overall with a strong team to assist him and I'm sure he will be able to score big in Spain. The route should suit him and there might be pretty low competition. Good chances for a out-of-a-sudden comeback as a grand tour winner. Damiano rode a strong Giro last year (Scarponi in fact rode a shameful one). Sadly none of his attacks paid out, but he was the only one of the big names which was consistently trying to give it a go. At least he still managed to win a Grand Tour that way

Scarponi was always a nothing as a grand tour contender and will always be. Except of his one year with Savio nearly all his giro attempts were a big disappointment (this year, last year, also with Manolo). It was just so laughable Scarponi wore the maglia rosa at the start of this Giro, while he was declassed by Contador in 2011. Il Falco knew why he refused to wear il pirata's maglia rosa in 1999. But yeah il Falco at least was a champ, not a joke like Scarponi
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Old 12-29-12, 20:05
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Great news.
Let Cunego ride the Vuelta now for overall with a strong team to assist him and I'm sure he will be able to score big in Spain. The route should suit him and there might be pretty low competition. Good chances for a out-of-a-sudden comeback as a grand tour winner. Damiano rode a strong Giro last year (Scarponi in fact rode a shameful one). Sadly none of his attacks paid out, but he was the only one of the big names which was consistently trying to give it a go. At least he still managed to win a Grand Tour that way

Scarponi was always a nothing as a grand tour contender and will always be. Except of his one year with Savio nearly all his giro attempts were a big disappointment (this year, last year, also with Manolo). It was just so laughable Scarponi wore the maglia rosa at the start of this Giro, while he was declassed by Contador in 2011. Il Falco knew why he refused to wear il pirata's maglia rosa in 1999. But yeah il Falco at least was a champ, not a joke like Scarponi
Cunego has never really taken the vuelta seriously - as for scarponi I don't think he has been as bad as you suggest, two 4ths and a first isn't too shabby
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