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Old 11-15-12, 08:50
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The Inner Ring did a good job explaining the system.
http://inrng.com/2012/11/sporting-va...ed/#more-11771
I think this answers all the posts above, read it.

It is already the case that only the top 12 riders from every team count for the sporting value, excluding non-rider dependant collective points. This means there is plenty of room for domestiques on a team's roster, they just have to be good enough to add something without being one of the top-12 riders of that team.

The real problem, as highlighted in the innerring blog Steve mentioned, is that even riders don't know that this is the case and therefore assume that if they don't have points, then they are not going to be hired. This is not true as any team can carry up to 18 'pointless' riders, without it affecting the sporting value of the team.

The secrecy surrounding the arithmetic for the sporting value are backfiring: While it is true that no rider can purely calculate what race to race for points, it seems that important details are not even clear for riders; let alone potential sponsors or fans.
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Old 11-15-12, 09:29
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He's not talking about his helpers, but about Joost Posthuma...
joost posthuma no team wanted because he sucks and has bad mentality. has nothing to do with points
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The secrecy surrounding the arithmetic for the sporting value are backfiring: While it is true that no rider can purely calculate what race to race for points, it seems that important details are not even clear for riders; let alone potential sponsors or fans.
Or journalists:
http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/...rldtour_265143
Unless his contract was submitted to the UCI deadline of half october, his points are worthless.
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Old 11-15-12, 09:32
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Maybe an answer is to only count the points of the top10-12 riders from each team?

There will still be a need to sign riders with points, but those who don't have any can still be kept on to contribute to the team as a whole.
that is already the case god it annoys me when people have no clue about the facts here (including riders) and listen to whining crybaby cyclists that shouldn't even have a job to begin with. of course brammeier is whining. he knows there's at least 100 riders in ct and pct better than him and only reason he has a job is cavendish.
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Uhm, he rode for QS this year and his contract isn't renewed for next season yet Cav rides there next season. So no, the only reason he has a job isn't Cavendish.

1+1=2.

But yeah, there's dozens of riders like Brammeier in the ProTour.
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Old 11-15-12, 13:12
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Uhm, he rode for QS this year and his contract isn't renewed for next season yet Cav rides there next season. So no, the only reason he has a job isn't Cavendish.

1+1=2.

But yeah, there's dozens of riders like Brammeier in the ProTour.
then I guess brammeier and cav aren't the best of friends anymore. that's why he's probably whining.
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joost posthuma no team wanted because he sucks and has bad mentality. has nothing to do with points
He himself said part of the reason was the points.

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"I have been negotiating with different teams such Vacansoleil, but they had no room. Additionally, there are many teams that need ProTour points and, to be honest, I have none. Teams need points in order to remain in the top tier,"
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Old 11-15-12, 14:55
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He himself said part of the reason was the points.
Of course, if he had 60 RV points, he would get a contract just like the exotic riders at Euskaltel. Hell, even I would get a contract. The reason however is, that of the domestiques without points he was not good enough or too expensive.
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Old 11-15-12, 15:09
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Of course, if he had 60 RV points, he would get a contract just like the exotic riders at Euskaltel. Hell, even I would get a contract. The reason however is, that of the domestiques without points he was not good enough or too expensive.
The reason for him not getting a team is a combination of reasons, one of them is the points, another of them was him not being good enough, another being sick at key moments during this season, another lack of motivation. I think Posthuma could still be capable of being a good domestique though, he did good work for Schleck in the 2011 tour.
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Old 11-15-12, 15:20
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The reason for him not getting a team is a combination of reasons, one of them is the points, another of them was him not being good enough, another being sick at key moments during this season, another lack of motivation. I think Posthuma could still be capable of being a good domestique though, he did good work for Schleck in the 2011 tour.
He cannot blame the lack of points. I could blame my lack of goals in the Premier League for not getting a contract at Manchester City, but the fact is I am not good enough. There a tons of football players without goals who get a contract, just like there a hundreds of cyclists without points who get a contract.

If Radioshack was satisfied with him, he would have gotten a contract extension. Radioshack wasn't looking for points; they hired Devolder, for crying out loud.
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