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Old 11-16-12, 06:26
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Oh brother, here we go again.

followed by long, sensible post on how stupid all these chauvinistic arguments are
+1000. really, nothing more need be said on this topic. I don't get why people are so worked up about this.
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Old 11-16-12, 08:43
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beats her at what? Are they both aware that they are racing each other? I know the answer. Vos can punish a huge number of men. I think you should put you and your friends claims on youtube with some name and face association. Many Dutch destroyers will take up your claim and your non training friend may find that the possession of a penis doesn't mean you are fast.

When Armstrong started I am sure he was amazed at just how astonishing Team Lycra was, Berglund,Meister and Golay bringing rides to the redline with elite studs from all disciplines,from MTB to Ironmen the speeds were very,very high on those Wednesdays.Maybe Horner will chime in about Sorrento Valley or Otay training crits, female riders were in the mix. I would take a Twigg or Furtado over your pal in a man vs woman race.
I think I should do nothing. In the end, I don't give a flying **** on who you wanna bet on. The story was just a motivation for my reasons not to watch women's cycling. There's nothing to go berserk over because it doesn't fit your street, you can choose to not believe it, we live in a free world.

And please, a general request, can we stop about this now? Like I've said I don't like talking about other non-public people on the internet.

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Whether a handful of individuals enjoy women's cycling or not is not really the point, is it? I thought the question was whether women cyclists deserve the same pay as men (or at least increased relative to what it is now).

I don't think they do because women don't generate nearly as much money. Cyclists don't get paid for the amount of work they do, they get paid for how much money they can generate. (through fans, sponsors, viewers, etc.).

We can say it's a catch-22, where they can't bring in the money because they don't get the exposure, but they don't get the exposure because they don't bring in the money, but this is part of the process of developing a sport. We shouldn't create "artificial interest" by overpaying them.
Thanks for bringing in some sense
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Old 11-16-12, 08:55
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Thanks for bringing in some sense
Let me remind you that your own first reaction in this thread was the following:

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Part of the reason I watch cycling is the extraordinariness of it and watching women cycling isn't that: I could beat them myself if I took cycling slightly seriously.
Lol, talk about introducing sense. Not rating women's cycling is one thing, but saying you could beat them all if you just tried a little is ridiculous. Especially since you're never going to do it.
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Old 11-16-12, 08:57
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I think I've explained myself about that, have I. You don't have to agree with it, but I'm talking about my reasons and feelings.
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Old 11-16-12, 09:11
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It's not a matter of agreeing or not, it's the use of a nonsensical argument. "I could beat them myself... if I only tried". Yeah, sure.

Do I rate women's tennis? No, not really. Do I think I could beat them? Absolutely not.
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Old 11-16-12, 09:22
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Well, why are men's junior races of the same length and of the same speed as women's races?

In the end, I don't know whether "I would beat them all". Based on available knowledge to me, it would not be impossible though.

Anyway, I'm done with it. I've pledged to myself to not get involved in stupid discussions on the internet a while ago and I've broken that rule already.
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Old 11-16-12, 09:46
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At the moment it's a bit ridiculous that Marianne Vos is by far the best sprinter, climber, puncheur, classics-specialist and CX rider (probably track+MTB as well) in the world. She's an amazing athlete, no doubt, but if there were more competition she obviously wouldn't be able to dominate in all those disciplines simultaneously.
She is not the best sprinter. Ina Yoko Teutenberg 37 year old! is probably better. She wins bunch sprints after a hard race, but not that often. She wins more the smaller bunch sprints like Boonen or Degenkolb.
If she is the best climber I doubt. Maybe last 2 seasons since she lost weight for the Giro Donne. She lost a lot of track ability in the same period and did not even start on the track (another Dutch girl was better in the omnium) on the olympics.
She is the best puncher, overall classic rider and CX and one of the best climbers/sprinters.
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I never actually stated Piemonte didn't move nor does my post imply that. I was talking about Emilia and GP Beghelli anyway.
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I knew you'd try this but no, the rider arnout was talking about was uran, not quintana nor nicky sorensenl and the Italian semi classic therefore piemonte to which you directly responded that the Italian semi classic in question was not that impressive.

And it was still the very same Italian classic 2 posts later when you tried to taint it by saying that its crap now that lombardia moved.
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Old 11-16-12, 12:56
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Lol. The number of south Americans that watch south American cycling is probably smaller than the number of flems that watch cyclocross.
in vuelta tachira alone 1 million people are along the roads of san christobal circuit no cyclocross comes close to that
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Old 11-16-12, 12:59
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Some people pretend this is a human rights issue or something. It's just preferences, just like I usually skip (most of the) the cobbled classics, because I don't care about them.
it's ridiculous indeed. we also don't have 100 meter sprint for white people. just as racist/sexist that would be as womans sport.
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