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Old 11-15-12, 21:57
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5) Nobody cares about it, so it isn't shown or covered!
Understandable, but also chicken-and-egg, as Hitch pointed out very well. If you have more exposure to something, you absorb knowledge of it, and you can become more emotionally invested in it. Women's cycling is seldom shown, so how can people discover that they're interested in it? Again, as Hitch pointed out, the sports where women are held in the highest esteem by fans are events where the women's events are at the same time as the men's. Ironically, this gives us more chance to directly compare men's and women's performances than there is in cycling, but we don't directly compare the men's and women's performances that often in those sports. Female skiers, biathletes, track and field athletes and even to an extent track cyclists are allowed to be the best at what they do without having to always be compared to the men. Nobody cares that Shelly-Ann Fraser or Mary Keitany can't run as fast as Usain Bolt or Haile Gebreselassie, nobody cares that Magdalena Neuner or Marit Bjørgen can't ski as fast as Emil Hegle Svendsen or Dario Cologna... we compare them to other women, not to the men.

The men's 100 & 200m sprints have always been much more popular than the equivalent women's events. Now with Bolt, the men's events have 10 times the number of views on the official Olympic YouTube channel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O7K-8G2nwU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFi5ueI522E


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWZQAVtkMBo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tvUQslnII0



It was lopsided before Bolt hit the scene. Maybe not to the same extent as it is now, but to say that people don't care is way off the mark.
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Old 11-15-12, 22:22
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Like I've said, my mate beats the second best Dutch female rider of the last few years without training. This argument really is not valid.
The only point why you don't care for women's cycling seems to be that your friend beat Annemiek van Vleuten once.

How? Why? When? At what?
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Old 11-15-12, 23:02
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I don't think posters such as Ryo should be allowed on this forum. They are clearly lacking in brain matter and as such aren't as clever as the rest of us.
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Old 11-15-12, 23:36
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The men's 100 & 200m sprints have always been much more popular than the equivalent women's events. Now with Bolt, the men's events have 10 times the number of views on the official Olympic YouTube channel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O7K-8G2nwU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFi5ueI522E


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWZQAVtkMBo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tvUQslnII0



It was lopsided before Bolt hit the scene. Maybe not to the same extent as it is now, but to say that people don't care is way off the mark.
I was meaning more that people don't feel the need to devalue Fraser's achievements by comparing her to Bolt, because the women's 100m and 200m are seen as valuable events in and of themselves, even if the men's events are more popular. The fact that Fraser runs 100m slower than Bolt is not considered an obstacle to the validation of her achievement.

To take it elsewhere in track and field, I'd argue that Blanka Vlašić and Yelena Isinbayeva are more well-known than any male athletes in their chosen field, and their success is not generally devalued by men being able to jump/vault higher than them in the same way that female cyclists are being devalued by having their performances directly compared to their male equivalents.
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I would watch womens cycling if they showed it more, but its just like womens nordic: the winner wins by over a minute, while in guys someone wins by the length of a boot. Its less exciting to see the same people dominate every single race (Vos) no matter what type of race it is. Up the depth of the field and more people will watch!
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The only point why you don't care for women's cycling seems to be that your friend beat Annemiek van Vleuten once.

How? Why? When? At what?
Not the only point, but it plays a role.

Not once either. Wednesday night rides of some 80km, he participated in them for fun and was on par (sometimes stronger in the end, sometimes he lost out). Not talking about a sprint, but about general speed during the ride in the Posbank area (slightly hilly terrain northeast of Arnhem).

If you're interested, other people in the ride included Mr C Helling, a quite decent marathon speedskater. Anyway, for the sake of privacy this is all I will tell in public, I don't like talking about other people online so I will edit this message tomorrow (don't quote it please).

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Not the only point, but it plays a role.

Not once either. Wednesday night rides of some 80km, he participated in them for fun and was on par (sometimes stronger in the end, sometimes he lost out). Not talking about a sprint, but about general speed during the ride in the Posbank area (slightly hilly terrain northeast of Arnhem).
You make it sound like the women were going at 100% during an evening training ride. Newsflash a) they probably weren't and b) They don't get paid enough to be full time riders. They have other commitments. Cut's down their training time too.
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Thank you very much for telling me what happened. Enjoying your armchair?
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Old 11-16-12, 00:24
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I would watch womens cycling if they showed it more, but its just like womens nordic: the winner wins by over a minute, while in guys someone wins by the length of a boot. Its less exciting to see the same people dominate every single race (Vos) no matter what type of race it is. Up the depth of the field and more people will watch!
Again though, chicken and egg. Lack of depth is a product of the lack of exposure, because the lack of exposure means lack of money, and repetitive parcours, which means the same riders keep winning, which means they earn more money and can dedicate themselves to the sport full time which many others can't, which means they continue to keep winning everything.

It's hard for them to pad the depth of the field with the current status quo. With more money, they could put together race routes with more variety; if they have enough races with enough variety that riders can afford to specialise in particular areas of cycling and, more importantly, make a living doing so, depth will follow.
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I enjoy watching women's cycling.

I feel like making that statement and then getting out of this thread is the best choice for my sanity. Some of the posts in here... Ugh.
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