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View Poll Results: Strongest Contador?
Tour '07 15 15.46%
Tour '09 44 45.36%
Giro '11 21 21.65%
Waiting for tour '13 17 17.53%
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Old 12-03-12, 23:49
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Giro 2011, because he didn't have a comically strong team, and the route wasn't so soft. It's easier to set a VAM record on Verbier after a flat stage than on a steeper climb
Wait. Isnt it harder on Verbier than on a steep climb since you are gaining less m altitude for every km on the road than you are on say, Marmolada.
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Giro 2011, because he didn't have a comically strong team, and the route wasn't so soft. It's easier to set a VAM record on Verbier after a flat stage than on a steeper climb after four other category 1 climbs or when you're so superior to everyone else you can afford to spend your energy on trying to find ways for your friends to get stages.
With the same power output (and all other things equal), you'll have a higher VAM on a steeper ascent.
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With the same power output (and all other things equal), you'll have a higher VAM on a steeper ascent.
Perhaps I was partially incorrect then.

But it's still easier to put out your top power output on a climb after an otherwise flat stage than on a climb that finishes a stage over several tough mountains.
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It's hard to compare but I voted for Giro '11 just because he made it look so easy and I think that if he had better competition he could have gone even harder. In the 2009 Tour Contador has been super as well but, has someone already said, he had extra motivation because of the team situation. Anyway I'll be surprised if he can go even harder than during those two GTs.
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Verbier is so misleading.

The real performance was Romme-Colombiere.
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It's hard to compare but I voted for Giro '11 just because he made it look so easy and I think that if he had better competition he could have gone even harder. In the 2009 Tour Contador has been super as well but, has someone already said, he had extra motivation because of the team situation. Anyway I'll be surprised if he can go even harder than during those two GTs.
Even though Evans, Schleck and a few others were not at the 2011 Giro, I agree Contador looked like he was from another planet. Gifting stages and he seemed to be coasting even though he said after the race that is was harder than it looked, it looked pretty easy to me. I remember Simoni's comments about Basso when Basso won the Giro. Something like he was riding like an android or an alien. Both Basso and Contador were totally in control and dominant. I would be surprised to see that sort of dominance again from Contador even though he could keep winning.
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I would say Giro 2011, there may not have been as strong competition as there was at Tour 2009, but the route was one of the hardest we have seen in a long time. Plus he dominated the entire race; and he did it with ease. It's very close though, I'd say he was pretty close to the same level of strength in both races.

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We have to keep in mind he had extra motivation with the return of LA and his attempts to undermine Contador's efforts to show his superiority. There was a fire in his riding at the Tour in 2009 that hasn't been seen since. I think though that he still has it in him to match the level. Several riders of his era didn't reach their peaks until their 30's.
Hmm, so all Riis needs to do to bring 2009 Contador back is sign a really good GT rider and send both him and Contador to the GT their targeting as co-leaders. Then just sit back and let Contador do his thing.
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Verbier is so misleading.

The real performance was Romme-Colombiere.
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Alcalis is rather a better example when Contador attacked while having that nasty headwind...

Folks also forget the "soft peddling" to keep LA in touch with the GC, the abrupt gaps already gained with the TTT, plus having Verbier as the very first MTF in the last week was not of a surprise for anyone to see the kind of "rage" that AC had in him to crush everyone...

Giro 11 to me is the ultimate demonstration of AC's powers-even if his competitors weren't near to challenge him-the parcours was madly tough to break anyone in a bad day...
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With Riis I think he can reach yet another level
I agree. : D
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2009. All sources indicate that he will never ever be that strong again.
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