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Old 12-22-12, 10:37
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Lol. Two things are very funny about this post.

1. Löfkvist didn't win Emilia, he got 3d behind Robert Gesink
2. By this same logic, Gesink is a great hilly classics rider

I never thought you'd say that
It's sort of true, though. Gesink is (was) great in hilly semi classics. Liege, no... but shorter races, sure.
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Old 12-22-12, 10:40
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Lol. Two things are very funny about this post.

1. Löfkvist didn't win Emilia, he got 3d behind Robert Gesink
2. By this same logic, Gesink is a great hilly classics rider

I never thought you'd say that
3rd then. I remember him doing very well. he lost sprint to gesink I think? I didn't say lovkist is a great hilly rider but he isn't mediocre either and gesink 3 years ago was a pretty great hilly rider. now he's a joke yes
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Old 12-22-12, 10:55
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3rd then. I remember him doing very well. he lost sprint to gesink I think? I didn't say lovkist is a great hilly rider but he isn't mediocre either and gesink 3 years ago was a pretty great hilly rider. now he's a joke yes
Exactly, he's a joke. But Mirador del Ezaro and Seraing were among his best performaces this year, how do you explain that? And he's always been quite bad in LBL, only a fool has ever seen him as a hilly rider. He's the least explosive pro ever, I can tell you that.
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Old 12-22-12, 10:57
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Emilia isn't really a hilly classic. The best hills rider in the world, Gilbert, probably can't win it. It's more of a mountain stage.

Maybe it's better to use Tirreno as an example of a hilly race where Löfkvist did very well. Löfkvist is reasonable in the hills, and it's certainly not only due to his MTB skills that he did so well in Strade Bianche.

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Exactly, he's a joke. But Mirador del Ezaro and Seraing were among his best performaces this year, how do you explain that? And he's always been quite bad in LBL, only a fool has ever seen him as a hilly rider. He's the least explosive pro ever, I can tell you that.
"Least explosive ever" would also make Quebec very unsuited to him. Yet he's finished on the podium there twice. He can do it, sometimes. And never in the biggest races.
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Old 12-22-12, 11:11
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"Least explosive ever" would also make Quebec very unsuited to him. Yet he's finished on the podium there twice. He can do it, sometimes. And never in the biggest races.
I know that he's finished well in those races, but he's never immediately reacted well to any attack or accelleration, he's only got one tempo. That doesn't mean he can't get results. But the reason he doesn't ride the classics any more is that even in his best form he can't win one. He's a rider with solid climbing and good TT, he needs to ride one week races ftw before he even attempts a grand tour classification. GT's and classics haven't been very kind to him after all.
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Old 12-22-12, 11:28
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I know that he's finished well in those races, but he's never immediately reacted well to any attack or accelleration, he's only got one tempo. That doesn't mean he can't get results. But the reason he doesn't ride the classics any more is that even in his best form he can't win one. He's a rider with solid climbing and good TT, he needs to ride one week races ftw before he even attempts a grand tour classification. GT's and classics haven't been very kind to him after all.
Depends on his form. He does have a snappy accelleration sometimes, and sometimes he absolutely doesn't. It's a bit unpredictable. But this discussion is as old as the guy's career.
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Gilbert could have won RvV in 2011, if the finish would've been a few kms after the Bosberg. The Ronde doesn't necessarily reward the strongest rider,
the AGR does that more often with the Cauberg-finish. Gilbert is often the strongest (cobbled) hilly rider, without getting the win.

And AGR having a better field is a simple fact, most of the riders who did the Ronde are there, plus a lot of climbers who never ride the cobbles.
Uhm, only a fact to the Dutch it seems.

Ballan, Boonen, Cancellara, Pozzato and Devolder have almost never ridden the AGR in their prime years. Cancellara/Chavanel were the strongest in the Ronde in 2011. Gilbert has never been the strongest in the Ronde van Vlaanderen in his life. What a post of nonsense.

Guess what, the finish isn't right after the Bosberg or the Paterberg and that's why the Ronde van Vlaanderen is actually decent to watch unlike the AGR.

Cyclists like Joquim Rodriguez or Nibali would never stand a chance in the Ronde van Vlaanderen. I've never even heard of a cyclist trying to peak for the AGR. Once the cobbled guys have done the Ronde van Vlaanderen and Roubaix their peak is over.

Here's the top ten of the WC in Valkenburg:

1. Philippe Gilbert Belgium 6h 10' 41"
2. Edvald Boasson Hagen Norway + 4"
3. Alejandro Valverde Spain + 5"
4. John Degenkolb Germany + 5"
5. Lars Boom Netherlands + 5"
6. Allan Davis Australia + 5"
7. Thomas Voeckler France + 5"
8. Ramūnas Navardauskas Lithuania + 5"
9. Sergio Henao Colombia + 5"
10. Óscar Freire Spain + 5"

Bolded have ridden the Ronde van Vlaanderen this year. Allan Davis and Navardauskas didn't ride the Ronde or AGR. And I don't think anyone missed Henao at the Ronde van Vlaanderen.
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horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato
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Old 12-22-12, 12:08
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Uhm, only a fact to the Dutch it seems.

Ballan, Boonen, Cancellara, Pozzato and Devolder have almost never ridden the AGR in their prime years. Cancellara was the strongest in the Ronde in 2011. Gilbert has never been the strongest in the Ronde van Vlaanderen in his life. What a post of nonsense.

Guess what, the finish isn't right after the Bosberg or the Paterberg and that's why the Ronde van Vlaanderen is actually decent to watch.

Cyclists like Joquim Rodriguez or Nibali would never stand a chance in the Ronde van Vlaanderen.
Nibali doesn't stand a chance in AGR too
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Old 12-22-12, 12:23
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Nibali doesn't stand a chance in AGR too
He did very well at the WC.

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horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato
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Old 12-22-12, 12:26
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Uhm, only a fact to the Dutch it seems.

Ballan, Boonen, Cancellara, Pozzato and Devolder have almost never ridden the AGR in their prime years. Cancellara was the strongest in the Ronde in 2011. Gilbert has never been the strongest in the Ronde van Vlaanderen in his life. What a post of nonsense.

Guess what, the finish isn't right after the Bosberg or the Paterberg and that's why the Ronde van Vlaanderen is actually decent to watch unlike the AGR.

Cyclists like Joquim Rodriguez or Nibali would never stand a chance in the Ronde van Vlaanderen. I've never even heard of a cyclist trying to peak for the AGR. Once the cobbled guys have done the Ronde van Vlaanderen and Roubaix their peak is over.

Here's the top ten of the WC in Valkenburg:

1. Philippe Gilbert Belgium 6h 10' 41"
2. Edvald Boasson Hagen Norway + 4"
3. Alejandro Valverde Spain + 5"
4. John Degenkolb Germany + 5"
5. Lars Boom Netherlands + 5"
6. Allan Davis Australia + 5"
7. Thomas Voeckler France + 5"
8. Ramūnas Navardauskas Lithuania + 5"
9. Sergio Henao Colombia + 5"
10. Óscar Freire Spain + 5"

Bolded have ridden the Ronde van Vlaanderen this year. Allan Davis and Navardauskas didn't ride the Ronde or AGR. And I don't think anyone missed Henao at the Ronde van Vlaanderen.
It's always some kind of national pride thing with you, oh don't touch the Ronde, the Amstel Gold Race sucks! Yes it does, problem is, we don't care

It's not a national event like the Ronde is in Belgium. It just has a stronger field. I don't see how there's any discussion about that? Naming a few cobbles specialists hardly changes that. I mean, for god's sake, Devolder!?
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