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Old 12-22-12, 12:32
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It's always some kind of national pride thing with you, oh don't touch the Ronde, the Amstel Gold Race sucks! Yes it does, problem is, we don't care

It's not a national event like the Ronde is in Belgium. It just has a stronger field. I don't see how there's any discussion about that? Naming a few cobbles specialists hardly changes that. I mean, for god's sake, Devolder!?
Beats Ivanov and Gasparotto.

I don't see that strong field at the AGR sorry. Most of the field isn't concerned with winning that race. And like you said, the race isn't similar to the Ronde van Vlaanderen like Ryo and Pentacycle have been claiming. They're 2 different races with some similarities, but many differences.

Not even in Belgium do we have that much road obstacles on the road nor are there cars parked alongside the road. That's what AGR is most famous for after all...

Come back to me when the AGR changes name and the finish isn't on the Cauberg anymore. Then it will become a really big race.

If the Cauberg was 12km from the finish Boonen could probably win the AGR if he peaked for it. As of right now, only a small handful of people can win the AGR.

I don't think the AGR sucks as for as classics go, but when someone compares it to a Monument... Yeah, then it sucks.
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horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato
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Old 12-22-12, 13:07
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Emilia isn't really a hilly classic. The best hills rider in the world, Gilbert, probably can't win it. It's more of a mountain stage.

Maybe it's better to use Tirreno as an example of a hilly race where Löfkvist did very well. Löfkvist is reasonable in the hills, and it's certainly not only due to his MTB skills that he did so well in Strade Bianche.
Sure, he is reasonable in hills, but I'm still quite sure he wouldn't have done so well in Strade Bianche without the gravel parts, which was my point. Also in Giro 2011, when he sucked, he was still one of the strongest on the Strade Bianche stage...
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Old 12-22-12, 13:11
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Beats Ivanov and Gasparotto.
yea... no. Very different types of riders.
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Old 12-22-12, 13:34
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yea... no. Very different types of riders.
Different as in better?

I know Devolder has been a joke for the last 2 years, but he still won:

- Won 5 stage races
- Won multiple time trials
- Wore leaders jersey in Vuelta plus 11th in GC
- Won 2 Monuments with the Ronde van Vlaanderen
- 2 National RR titles in direct battles with Boonen and Gilbert
- Top 10 in Paris-Roubaix

So, all in all, he's basically better than Ivanov and Gasparotto in just about everything. For now.
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horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato
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Old 12-22-12, 13:37
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Depends on his form. He does have a snappy accelleration sometimes, and sometimes he absolutely doesn't. It's a bit unpredictable. But this discussion is as old as the guy's career.
no he does not. he only had one as an u23 and junior. never since.
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Old 12-22-12, 13:40
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Different as in better?

I know Devolder has been a joke for the last 2 years, but he still won:

- Won 5 stage races
- Won multiple time trials
- Wore leaders jersey in Vuelta plus 11th in GC
- Won 2 Monuments with the Ronde van Vlaanderen
- 2 National RR titles in direct battles with Boonen and Gilbert
- Top 10 in Paris-Roubaix

So, all in all, he's basically better than Ivanov and Gasparotto in just about everything. For now.
AGR is a race where the final push is 95% of the race (with some exceptions)

There is very few people that is better than Gaspa on that type of terrain (Sagan, Gilbert, EBH, Valverde perhpas). RVV you need alot of luck and the tactics must be perfect. AGR you almost certainly need to be the best that day, this do not apply to RVV
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Old 12-22-12, 13:43
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AGR is a race where the final push is 95% of the race (with some exceptions)

There is very few people that is better than Gaspa on that type of terrain (Sagan, Gilbert, EBH, Valverde perhpas). RVV you need alot of luck and the tactics must be perfect. AGR you almost certainly need to be the best that day, this do not apply to RVV
this puts it very well. as we also saw this year boonen winning the rvv, while not being the strongest.
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this puts it very well
thank you, this comment made my day
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Old 12-22-12, 13:45
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thank you, this comment made my day
no proh\blem also the comment about boonen I put there will make el calimero's day. can't wait for his reaction
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AGR is a race where the final push is 95% of the race (with some exceptions)

There is very few people that is better than Gaspa on that type of terrain (Sagan, Gilbert, EBH, Valverde perhpas). RVV you need alot of luck and the tactics must be perfect. AGR you almost certainly need to be the best that day, this do not apply to RVV
Yeah, so you also say AGR and the Ronde are different races?

Funny how Ryo agrees with you considering he said Ronde and AGR are basically the same only AGR has a better field. LOL.

Ok, Gaspa IS better in an uphill sprint. But Devolder beats him in most other things, at least the Devolder of 2008-2010. The current Devolder is a joke.
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horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato
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