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Old 12-08-12, 22:54
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that's the main question, isn't it?
Here you can find a lot of them, even though some are " forbidden"

http://www.ilciclismo.it/2009/?cat=10
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Speaking of pure hardness I can't see anything past that. I agree other stages may be better designed, or have better combos, but in terms of hardness that one has the edge. Just blindly comparing it to the Gardeccia 2011, we have:
- 21 kms more
- Mortirolo is way harder than any climb of the other stage.
- Gavia too, plus it's consistently higher than Giau.
- Aprica is considerably easier than Gardeccia ofc.
- Tonale is 1% less steep than Cibiana on average, but 5 kms longer.
- Mendola is easier than Piancavallo.

The Gardeccia stage isn't that far from Aprica, but doesn't reach it.
So the position of the mountain on the stage doesnt matter?

Well san christina was similar to that one then. Only stelvio>> gavia
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So the position of the mountain on the stage doesnt matter?

Well san christina was similar to that one then. Only stelvio>> gavia
true, but Santa Cristina had one climb and 60 kms less.
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Here you can find a lot of them, even though some are " forbidden"

http://www.ilciclismo.it/2009/?cat=10
Thanks for posting this! Great site!
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so where i can find profiles of the old tour de france editions please?
Here more profiles, in this case only of the giro, a very good site:

http://xoomer.virgilio.it/ciclopedale/index.htm
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true, but Santa Cristina had one climb and 60 kms less.
Ok what about Stelvio last year? only 30 k less (the part with Mendola which isnt that important) but Stelvio Bormio > Gavia (dont know which they did in 94 and 96) and some even harder Mortirolo side.
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Ok what about Stelvio last year? only 30 k less (the part with Mendola which isnt that important) but Stelvio Bormio > Gavia (dont know which they did in 94 and 96) and some even harder Mortirolo side.
Surely harder than Aprica '94, but the Stelvio South is not that harder then Gavia and Mortirolo (2012) is just slightly harder than the usual one. Tonale and Aprica were the same, so the only difference is Mendola. Surely isn't that important but it seems we're talking of a fourth category...


on the other hand, this is the Stelvio south



to be compared with Gavia



shorter but steeper. Difficult to compare them, But I'd say the difference between them isn't as big as Mendola vs nothing
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Here more profiles, in this case only of the giro, a very good site:

http://xoomer.virgilio.it/ciclopedale/index.htm
yes that one i know it.the guy who did it is a really passionate cycling fan chapeau to him
and i have a question for you guys, do you know worse routes than that one of 1993 giro??
those were the mountains stages...what a joke







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Old 12-09-12, 09:42
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yes that one i know it.the guy who did it is a really passionate cycling fan chapeau to him
and i have a question for you guys, do you know worse routes than that one of 1993 giro??
those were the mountains stages...what a joke







thanks apmfbs for the link
The Corvara stage was actually good.

And yes, take a look at the '80s to see some seriously f*cked up routes. Like the '88 Giro.
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The stage of Corvara was a very good designed stage, but 1993 was a very disappointing giro in relation to mountain stages.

I think they tried to assure Indurainīs defeat in some way, because there was only one flat 8 and very short) time trial ( Senigalia 28km) and the other one was the impressive mountain time trial from Pinerolo to Sestriere.

A bad route, even the usual tricky stages of the giro didnīt appear so much.
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