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Old 12-11-12, 17:22
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Pinot has to prove a lot? The youngest winner of Valle D' Aosta in amateurs. The youngest winner of the history. Tour of Romandia mountain classification in his first year as pro. Also in a breakway in the Dauphiné Liberé and finished top 20 in the final GC with 20 years. In 2011 (with 21 years) four wins and the GCs of Settimana Lombarda and Tour of Alsacia. Also shone one more time in Dauphiné specially in the Toussuire stage where he finished second after Joaquim Rodríguez and ahead of Evans, Gesink or Vinokourov. Ah. He was in the breakway this day. This year a bad beginning of season due to too much races in a short period of time. Even with that he was with the best climbers in Suisse. Then in the TDF a stage win after 50 kms to make the breakway dropping and ****ing the asses of guys like Kiserlovski, Kruivswijk, Mollema, Gallopin one by one and Kessiakoff in the last climb. The best climber in the Alps. Consistency in the Pyrenées. Only one bad day in all the race. The youngest top ten of the race since Raymond Impanis in 1947. (He didnt have a set up to come to the TDF. FDJ decided to include him in the nine one week after the race.) Then he made an exhibition in the last stage of the Tour L'Ain attacking from 30 kms to the finish and winning the stage. It's like in 2008 i am saying "Andy Schleck has to prove a lot" when he was second in the Giro D'Italia with 21 years and the best
young rider in the TDF where he shown amazing climbing skills.

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Old 12-11-12, 18:12
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Dombrowski has also shown amazing things with 20 years. I cant remember a domination in an amateur race like the american in the Giro Bio. Nobody can stayed near him in Terminillo. Aru didnt try it. Zakarin tryed it and got totally exhausted. In Passo Gavia another exhibition with huge differences with Aru. We are talking about Fabio Aru, maybe the best italian promise climber of the last 6 years. Since Riccó or Cunego. Then in professional races impressive demonstrations. The guy tryed to keep with Gesink in the queen stage of California. One of the strongest climbers beside Nibali in the queen stage of Colorado. We have to see him in Sky. But if this guy improve with the years he could be a GT contender in 2014. He has demonstrated the consistency in the american races. All finished in top final GC positions. If this guy improve he could kick the Wiggins, Urán and Henao's *** in one year or something like this.

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Old 12-11-12, 18:30
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This is the top10 classification of the Gavia stage: (I have to say its true)

DOMBROWSKI Joseph Lloyd
5h24'42"
2.ARU Fabio
43"
3.DI SERAFINO Matteo
02'55"
4.CIAVATTA Matteo
02'55"
5.PENASA Pierre Paolo
03'20"
6.ZARDINI Edoardo
03'24"
7.DE IESO Donato
03'39"
8.FORMOLO Davide
05'22"
9.DI REMIGIO Lorenzo
05'40"
10.UMABEKOV Nazar
5'47"

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Old 12-11-12, 18:38
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@Jason_Mercier: Both Pinot and Dombrowski are impressive up 'til now. Winning a GT requires taking one extra step: character/mental fitness. There are a lot of talents and so little GT winners. Believe me, I would like to see Joe Dombro winning a GT (almost) like no other.
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Old 12-11-12, 18:46
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I dont know if Joe has the conditions for win a GT one day. Mentality, character... But Thibaut yes. IMO. He has demonstrated yet. Ambition, courage, talent. Love cycling. Is a hard worker. If you read his biography, then contemplate his trajectory... then read things like Cirylle Guimard says the only french which will be able to win a GT is Thibaut... you know we are after a Real champion.
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I dont know if Joe has the conditions for win a GT one day. Mentality, character... But Thibaut yes. IMO. He has demonstrated yet. Ambition, courage, talent. Love cycling. Is a hard worker. If you read his biography, then contemplate his trajectory... then read things like Cirylle Guimard says the only french which will be able to win a GT is Thibaut... you know we are after a Real champion.
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I get the same vibe from Pinot...and Quintana. Both seem to have a way about them that implies that they can handle the pressure of a 3 week battle for the top step of a grand tour. Pinot's Tour performance had to have been like a meteor flashing across the sky in France for the long-Tour-champion-starved French fans
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Pinot has to prove a lot?
Sure. By standarts of dominating in GT's he is almost no one. Just a maillot blanc. Young perspective rider. The 1st big step would be to prove he is able to follow the strongest in equal open mountain fight (without being waaay back in GC and attacking)
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Old 12-11-12, 20:52
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Sure. By standarts of dominating in GT's he is almost no one. Just a maillot blanc. Young perspective rider. The 1st big step would be to prove he is able to follow the strongest in equal open mountain fight (without being waaay back in GC and attacking)
He's 22 years. His trajectory is not the right way for be a superchampion?
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Old 12-12-12, 02:57
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Would anyone here rank Talasnky higher than TJVG?

I did a small comparison of the two riders last year with Teejay coming out on top, but Talansky improved greatly this year.
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He's 22 years. His trajectory is not the right way for be a superchampion?
No one knows so far. The step he made is much less than the step he should make in order to become a superchampion. History knows many more examples when someone couldn't realize his potential being perspective. I just pointed Talansky 'cos IMO TT is getting more and more valueable skill no matter how hard climbs are. I fear Pinot is an anti time trialist like all frenchmen. To gain a lot of time in mountains is overly difficult nowadays. It is just impossible being alone. One always should have a man to cooperate. Climbing level is being levelled off.
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