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Old 01-28-13, 16:55
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No way will they take that many climbers, they need some diesels/tt'ers
Well most of those riders already confirmed this in interviews and few were training TTT with other riders involved at Giro confirmed, so it makes sense for all riders to train together.

Wiggins
Kireynka
Pate
Kennaugh
Porte ( ? )
Siutsou / Knees ( ? )

All those are good TT'ers with few big exceptions ie Wiggo. Kennaugh possibly less so but he's a great starter for TTT team due to his track.

There's lots of disels there. Pate, Kiryenka, Porte... What more do you want ? It's not like you need flat riders looking at the Giro.
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Old 01-28-13, 17:46
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Interesting to see Geraint described as a 'diesel' when you think that the 4k Team pursuit is run off at sprint speed, I think you can describe someone like Jens Voigt as a 'diesel' but not someone capable of riding over sixty kilometers an hour for 4 minutes (sorry 3.53). - surely some mistake! Attacks explosively on a climb and then crushes breakaway companions in a sprint in TDU. Maybe he has a big engine but its not a diesel, that guy has speed in his legs.
This. team pursuit is not for diesels, its a huge acceleration followed by 4 minutes (or 3'53" ) of mega sprint intervals at 65kmh - not by my understanding of what 'diesel' means ie Basso
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Old 01-28-13, 18:04
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This. team pursuit is not for diesels, its a huge acceleration followed by 4 minutes (or 3'53" ) of mega sprint intervals at 65kmh - not by my understanding of what 'diesel' means ie Basso
You can be great over 4 minutes and still lack the ability to accelerate several times uphill. Wiggins was also great in IP, but he's still what one can call a "diesel" climber, i.e he prefers a steady pace uphill. Being able to sprint or lead-out on the flat doesn't mean you're not a diesel climber
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Old 01-29-13, 17:33
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I'm not saying that Wiggins does not prefer to climb at a steady state as in a TT. But to conflate that type of climbing, a TT or even an IP, with a team pursuit, is to not understand one of the most basic principles of road and track racing ie through and off. this is what hmsgenoa was criticising, correctly, IMO.

the team pursuit is the most extreme form and through and off, but it is a constant cycle of accelerations*, not a steady state.

And we werent talking about Wiggo, we were talking about GT and his prep was exclusively aimed at team pursuit in 2012.

*Sure these are not the trackstanding accelerations of Contador has he tries to fool opponents into going deep into the red, which is a fool's game as he clearly has outstanding recovery from a supermaximal effort. But they are pretty savage accelerations - even trying to hang in a fast amateur group at 45kmh is far from a TT kind of effort.
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Top 10 in RVV and PR and 3rd in E3. Pretty decent.
Seems very strong but perhaps works too hard. A podium in a monument seems possible next year. If he can stay on the bike of course.
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Old 04-13-14, 15:41
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Top 10 in RVV and PR and 3rd in E3. Pretty decent.
Seems very strong but perhaps works too hard. A podium in a monument seems possible next year. If he can stay on the bike of course.
Or doesn't have to work for someone else.
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Old 04-13-14, 15:47
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Yea, he seems to be always working for someone else, the same for Ian Stannard, which really diminishes their hope of winning. (except for Stannard in Omloop)
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Should be Sky's captain in these races (or at least not having to work for anyone).
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Old 04-13-14, 16:02
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Unfortunately, I think he's already decided to focus on stage races from next year onwards.

Before Paris-Nice;
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"It's kind of coming to that point now in my career where I want to sort of specialise a bit now rather than be good at a lot of things. I want to try and be really good at the one thing. And so I think this is the last sort of year where I'll target both with the same sort of focus."
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Old 04-13-14, 16:03
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Unfortunately, I think he's already decided to focus on stage races from next year onwards.

Before Paris-Nice;

After Paris-Nice;

And there was that article from one of the Sky staff saying Thomas is going to go for the Tour de France win in a couple of years.
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