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Old 02-07-13, 16:30
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Did I say MTF of Tirreno isn't nice?
we were comparing the routes so I assumed that you liked the PN mtf more than the TA.
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I said the final itt is better in P-N for expected T-A field.
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Other stages pretty much equal. Some opportunities for sprinters and breakers. Although all stages aren't published yet, stage 4 promises nice mix of non-GC stages. Stage 6 should provoke an epic breakaway or daring jump.
All in all, I like it more than T-A.
first of all, the non-published stages we could assume are less interesting than stage 6, that is by far the worst stage published. Forget any kind of 'daring jumps' in that stage. The climb is 70 kms from the finish and the stage is squeezed between a MTF and an MTT.

otoh, TA has only one clear stage for sprints and another one where sprinters will sweat badly but may take it. It then has an ardennes-like stage which is miles better than stage 4 of PN and the stage to Chieti which is infinitely better than the one to Nice.
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Old 02-07-13, 16:55
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What a crap course. Westra FTW.
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first of all, the non-published stages we could assume are less interesting than stage 6, that is by far the worst stage published. Forget any kind of 'daring jumps' in that stage. The climb is 70 kms from the finish and the stage is squeezed between a MTF and an MTT.
You don't think someone, far in the GC not interested for the itt, could try his luck in last 20 - 30 kilometers, after the intermediate sprint? Or that a group of riders could survive exactly because the stage follows uphill finish and precedes itt, so the favorites will probably take it easier?
Tailor made for Hoogerland, if he's going to ride.
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You don't think someone, far in the GC not interested for the itt, could try his luck in last 20 - 30 kilometers, after the intermediate sprint? Or that a group of riders could survive exactly because the stage follows uphill finish and precedes itt, so the favorites will probably take it easier?
Tailor made for Hoogerland, if he's going to ride.
No way will Johnny be fit to ride unfortunately.
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No way will Johnny be fit to ride unfortunately.
Yes, I've forgotten about the incident.
Let's hope there will be some brave opportunists
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Old 02-07-13, 17:48
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You don't think someone, far in the GC not interested for the itt, could try his luck in last 20 - 30 kilometers, after the intermediate sprint? Or that a group of riders could survive exactly because the stage follows uphill finish and precedes itt, so the favorites will probably take it easier?
Tailor made for Hoogerland, if he's going to ride.
That stage will go to the breakaway I'm sure. No one will chase them.
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I've just taken a closer look at the areas where non-published stages are passing through.
Stage 1 typical sprinters'.
2 - sprinters' course, but possible spiced finish since it ends at the very foot of Massif Central... Something like short ascent or a sequence of them before the finish.
3 - Massif Central
4, 5, 6 - published.

Not bad at all.
Something for every type of rider.
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3 - Massif Central
with a very suspicious loop in the end...
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stage two has one of those suspicious loops as well, hopefully it will include a climb, like suspicious loops at the foot of the central massif ought to, so that the finale will be intresting.

If stage 2 has a punchy finale, and stage 3 is a massif-centrale stage with the possibility to be selective for the GC, then this parcour will actually be awesome. If stage 2 and 3 are boring stages where nothing will happen, I'd be disappointed with this parcour.
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The Nice stage is awful in so many ways that I almost can't believe it. If we're going to persist with that, at least give us the nice Nice loop stage we had in 2008-9-10. It's like the ASO is going out of its way to make its stage races suck. The best stage is the first hillyish one with a small climb 9km from the finish. Hopefully we get some echelon action or something in the first half of the race. But seriously, that penultimate stage. It's like they saw how much I criticised the Biot stage in 2011 (and what a waste of a weekend stage it was) and decided to prove me wrong by proving that, actually, they can make a more underwhelming stage.
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