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Old 12-26-12, 10:20
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High time to come to that circumstantially. Currently I see only 3 riders who can win something.

1. Vasil' Kiriyenka (official nickname in Belarus is a little terminator)
2. Kanstanstin Siutsou, the most talented domestic rider no doubt for me. To my great regret, he is the brightest example of how belarussian quiet down if they get good money in Europe. A general Siutsou's level is just insane. I keep my hope alive.
3 Jenek Hutarovich. It is a difficult case. According to Huta's coach, he is the laziest pupil for years so only fortuity can help him.
What's wrong with Aliaksandr Kushchynski and Branislau Samoilau?

There's Kanstantsin Klimiankou and Andrei Krasilnikau who spent 2012 in development programs as well (for Astana and Garmin respectively), don't know where they're headed though.
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Old 12-26-12, 10:37
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i cannot believe cav ahead of wiggo (olympic gold medals...) and froome ahead of millar.
may be simpson 2 after wiggo and cav 3 ( for the moment, maybe at the end of cav's career things will change..)
Are we talking about road cycling? Or is track included?

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Old 12-26-12, 10:39
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1. Coppi
2. Binda
3. Bartali
4. Moser
5. Pantani
6. Magni
7. Bugno
8. Cipollini
9. Adorni
10. Bartoli
i think you forgot bottecchia ( 2 tour de france, maillot jaune from first to last stage in 1924)and girardengo. very difficult to choose between binda and bartali.
for me pantani better than moser, magni better than moser.
saronni, even if i hate him, honorable mention with nencini and baldini
but, most incredible thing, you did not mention gimondi. felice is in the top 5 , winner of the three gt, world champion, winner of paris roubaix and much more against eddy...
so my list:
1 coppi
2 bartali
3 binda
4 gimondi
5 magni
6 pantani
7 moser
8 bottecchia
9 girardengo
10 bettini-bartoli

honorable mentions adorni, cipo, di paco, motta, saronni, nencini, baldini

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Old 12-26-12, 10:45
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Ambitions and pressure. Siutsou earns good money I think about 200-250k in Sky without excessive ambitions and disturbance. For the note, medium salary in Belarus is $300. In short, it is an eternal problem of riders from ex USSR.

I really don't cease to amaze how Menchov could break though that wall. Seemingly he was 5 times as strong as other spanish iBanesto guys at that date.

Say, Kiri is a great guy maybe the most underrated rider in the peloton. If he had had a special behind-the-scenes assistance that spaniards or italians have, he would easily have hit top-5 in any GT. But who needs it? No one..
A rider like Leipheimer probably makes 5 times that of Siutsou, but I can sort of understand the barrier involved for some of these guys. Hopefully it will change with time.
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Old 12-26-12, 18:01
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Some ideas for non-traditional countries:

USA

1 Greg LeMond
2 Andy Hampsten
3 Charley Miller (Zimmermann and Taylor were clowns compared to him)
4 Jonathan Boyer
5 Ron Kiefel
6 Eric Heiden (not the greatest cyclist but the greatest American athlete who's ever been a cyclist)
7 Joe Magnani
8 Taylor Phinney
9 Mike Neel
10 Saul Raisin (that's a subjective vote for a very nice guy )

Australia

1 Phil Anderson
2 Cadel Evans
3 Stuart O'Grady
4 Sir Hubert Opperman
5 Danny Clark
6 Simon Gerrans
7 Graeme Gilmore
8 Alan Peiper
9 Bradley McGee
10 Robbie McEwen

Great Britain

1 Robert Millar
2 Tom Simpson
3 Barry Hoban
4 Bradley Wiggins
5 Max Sciandri
6 Hugh Porter
7 Michael Wright
8 Mark Cavendish …
9 Brian Robinson
10 Leslie West

Sweden

1 Gösta Pettersson
2 Tommy Prim
3 Sven Ake Nilsson
4 Berndt Johansson
5 Thomas Pettersson
6 Magnus Backstedt
7 Thomas Löfkvist
8 Gustaf Erik Larsson
9 Alf Segersäll
10 Fredrik Kessiakoff

Czech Republic

1 Roman Kreuziger jr (waiting for a confirmation of Berta's affidavits)
2 Zdenek Stybar
3 Milos Fisera (tremendous cyclocrosser in the 70's & 80's; definitely a forerunner to Styby)
4 Radomir Simunek sr
5 Roman Kreuziger sr
6 Jan Svorada
7 Jiri Daler (Olympic Pursuit champion and then involved in the crash in Blois '69)
8 Radomir Simunek jr
9 Frantisek Rabon
10 Ernst Franz (actually a Bohemian, documentate about him, great story)

Norway

1 Knut Knudsen (no way in hell can Hushovd be compared to this all time great TTist)
2 Edvald Boasson Hagen (potentially a top palmares)
3 Thor Hushovd
4 Dag Erik Pedersen
5 Jostein Wilmann (respect to the guy who finished dead last of the epic Liège '80)
6 Kurt Asle Arvesen
7 Dag Otto Lauritzen
8 Atle Pedersen
9 Lars-Peter Nordhaug
10 Atle Kvalsvoll (usually overrated)

Denmark

1 Ole Ritter
2 Leif Mortensen
3 Charles Meyer (the guy who defied William Cody, lol)
4 Hans-Erik Oersted
5 Kim Andersen
6 Matti Breschel
7 Jorgen Marcussen
8 Chris Anker Sörensen
9 Palle Lykke Jensen
10 Henrik Djernis

New-Zealand

1 Eric McKenzie
2 Paul Jesson
3 Bruce Biddle (how come he was so forgotten)
4 Greg Henderson
5 Julian Dean
6 Jesse Sergent
7 Harry Watson
8 Haydon Roulston
9 Timothy Gudsell
10 Alexander Revell

Canada

1 Steve Bauer
2 Ryder Hesjedal
3 David Veilleux
4 Dominique Rollin
5 Svein Tuft
6 William Peden
7 Gordon Fraser
8 Will Routley
9 Ron Hayman
10 Geoff Kabush


Columbia

1 Martin Emilio "Cochise" Rodriguez Gutierrez
2 Luis Herrera
3 Fabio Parra
4 Giovanni Jimenez
5 Rafael Niño
6 Rigoberto Uran
7 Alfonso Florez Ortiz
8 Patrocinio Jimenez
9 Martin Ramirez
10 Oscar de J Vargas

Poland

1 Jean Stablinski
2 Jean Graczyk
3 Ryszard Szurkowski
4 Lech Piasecki
5 Édouard Klapinski
6 Michal Kwiatkowski
7 Czeslaw Lang
8 César Marcellak
9 Jaroslav Marycz
10 Mariusz Gil

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Old 12-26-12, 18:12
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1 Ole Ritter
2 Leif Mortensen
3 Charles Meyer (the guy who defied William Cody, lol)
4 Hans-Erik Oersted
5 Kim Andersen
6 Matti Breschel
7 Jorgen Marcussen
8 Chris Anker Sörensen
9 Palle Lykke Jensen
10 Henrik Djernis


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Is number 5 the same guy who mentors the Schlecks and was caught doping in his career?
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Old 12-26-12, 18:23
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Australia

1 Cadel Evans
2 Phil Anderson

3 Stuart O'Grady
4 Sir Hubert Opperman
5 Danny Clark
6 Simon Gerrans
7 Graeme Gilmore
8 Alan Peiper
9 Bradley McGee
10 Robbie McEwen

Phil was superb, a true ambassador and pioneer for Aussie and Anglo cycling, but you can't beat 1 TDF and 1 WT. For this reason Cadel must go to #1.
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Old 12-26-12, 18:38
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Australia

1 Cadel Evans
2 Phil Anderson

3 Stuart O'Grady
4 Sir Hubert Opperman
5 Danny Clark
6 Simon Gerrans
7 Graeme Gilmore
8 Alan Peiper
9 Bradley McGee
10 Robbie McEwen

Phil was superb, a true ambassador and pioneer for Aussie and Anglo cycling, but you can't beat 1 TDF and 1 WT. For this reason Cadel must go to #1.
I completely agree with you
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Old 12-26-12, 18:40
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Some ideas for non-traditional countries:



Poland

1 Jean Stablinski
2 Jean Graczyk
3 Ryszard Szurkowski
4 Lech Piasecki
5 Édouard Klapinski
6 Michal Kwiatkowski
7 Czeslaw Lang
8 César Marcellak
9 Jaroslav Marycz
10 Mariusz Gil
no zenon jaskula ?
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Old 12-26-12, 18:49
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Is number 5 the same guy who mentors the Schlecks and was caught doping in his career?
On the same list where Lance Armstrong doesn't appear because he did that D thing?
Oh the irony killed me
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