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Old 08-04-09, 15:30
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Isn't it possible the doping actually killed him?
Kinda...it was an accidental cocaine overdose.
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Old 08-04-09, 15:33
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This guy was around a couple years before I began watching cycling. I was just wondering why there is still such a strong following with him? I have done some research on him and he seemed to be a big doper and really the poster boy of the era that cycling wanted to end. I never saw him race so I don't really understand why he is so likable.
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Old 08-04-09, 15:35
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That's a very interesting interpretation, of the facts. Are you really comfortable with your double standard?
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The OP is a staunch defender of the Armstrong myth, yet was able to conclude that Pantani was a doper by doing "some research". Just pointing out the duplicity of his position.
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Old 08-04-09, 15:37
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That's a very interesting interpretation, of the facts. Are you really comfortable with your double standard?
Pantani never tested positive. he was removed from the 99 Giro for having an elevated crit of 50.1%.
Any rider who went above 50% was 'suspended' for two weeks for health reasons. It was never a sanction - so it is a fact.

I dont think anyone is denying the other point though. But that should be discussed in the Clinic.
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Old 08-04-09, 15:41
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Kinda...it was an accidental cocaine overdose.
Cocaine has its place in some doping methods, no?
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Old 08-04-09, 15:42
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Cycling was looked at as more than a sport - Coppi & Bartalis achievements were used as a symbol to restore pride back in to Italy
bartali even prevented civil war by winning the tour in 48!

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apart from the italian sports mentality pantani was the exact opposite of the posterboy you describe.
the posterboy of the epo-era was the 90kg sprinter who couldn't get his fat *** over the kemmelberg in 1992 and in 1993 suddenly rode along with the best on the tourmalet. preferably on a 54*12 or something like that. no attacking, just putting in power.

pantani was one of a few old style climbers who dared the powerhouses by attacking every time the road went up. the old fashioned pinches every km that eventually got everybody on their back.
that and his personality is why people love him.
the almost religious adoration is italy at it's finest. from the moment they stole the '99 giro from him, he (and the italian media) portrayed him(self) as a martyr. the one that had to take the fall for an entire generation because the public wanted to see heads roll after the festina-debacle. He was the best climber of his generation (auto godlike status in italy), he was a nice but mentally weak guy and 'they' exploited and killed him.
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Old 08-04-09, 15:46
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Isn't it possible the doping actually killed him?
This certainly could be argued.

Although the biggest reason for his mental decline and use of cocaine was because he was bitter at having been singled out and abandoned by the same people who had prospered during his rise to fame.
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Old 08-04-09, 16:13
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This guy was around a couple years before I began watching cycling. I was just wondering why there is still such a strong following with him? I have done some research on him and he seemed to be a big doper and really the poster boy of the era that cycling wanted to end. I never saw him race so I don't really understand why he is so likable.
A good read is "The Death of Marco Pantani" by Matt Rendell. Meticulously researched and very well written. Sad story though
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Old 08-04-09, 16:15
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This guy was around a couple years before I began watching cycling. I was just wondering why there is still such a strong following with him? I have done some research on him and he seemed to be a big doper and really the poster boy of the era that cycling wanted to end. I never saw him race so I don't really understand why he is so likable.
Marco was a genius, one and only Il Pirata, best climber ever... that's all

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He was a popular winner of the Giro in 1998 but he was elevated to superstar status when he became the first Italian to win the Tour later that same year.
You are wrong my friend !? Why the name 928 for a famous Bianchi model ? The 9 and 2 come from the years 1949 & 1952 when Coppi won Giro & Tour de France and the 8 represents the year 1998 when it was won Marco Pantani.

R.I.P. Il Pirata

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I never saw him race so I don't really understand why he is so likable.
His trademark 'in-the-drops-uphill-attack'


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