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Old 10-26-09, 14:31
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He also said that Sastre has failed to/insufficiently acknowledge(d) their [the Schleck Bro's] efforts in making his TdF win possible...
Yeah, that seemed like a wholly unnecessary addition - way to stay classy, Schlecklet.
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Old 10-26-09, 14:58
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That must have been the Sastre Andy was referring to. I am unaware of the existence of any other former CSC tour winning Sastre, but I could be mistaken...

Is there a growing dislike for Sastre in the peloton, or is it just Riis and co?
Probably mainly CSC, the conflict between CSC and Sastre isn't remotely new. It seems to origin pre the 2008 tour where Sastre wanted to be the undisputed captain and Riis wanted to keep his options (read The Schlecks) open. Before this the barbs I've heard have mainly been from Sastre against Riis, claiming he was working against him in the 2008 vuelta, but it doesn't suprise me to see Schlecklet throwing darts too. He has an obvious part in the conflict after all.
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Old 10-26-09, 15:51
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Yeah, that seemed like a wholly unnecessary addition - way to stay classy, Schlecklet.
Yep, a classy rider wouldn't proclaim himself "the best climber in the world" after getting dropped by his major adversary on the big race's first summit finish.

Maybe Sastre should be thanking Schecklet for losing major minutes earlier in the 2008 Tour eliminating himself from overall contention
thus making Sastre Saxo Bank's last and only chance of winning the Tour by the time of the Alpe D'Huez stage.

This sounds strangely like a certain someone who insists that another certain someone should have been thanking his teammates for their contribution to his Tour victory, although the first certain someone neglected to make an appearance at the victory dinner because he was too busy celebrating the creation of his own team for the 2010 season.
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Old 10-26-09, 16:02
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Yep, a classy rider wouldn't proclaim himself "the best climber in the world" after getting dropped by his major adversary on the big race's first summit finish.

Maybe Sastre should be thanking Schecklet for losing major minutes earlier in the 2008 Tour eliminating himself from overall contention
thus making Sastre Saxo Bank's last and only chance of winning the Tour by the time of the Alpe D'Huez stage.

This sounds strangely like a certain someone who insists that another certain someone should have been thanking his teammates for their contribution to his Tour victory, although the first certain someone neglected to make an appearance at the victory dinner because he was too busy celebrating the creation of his own team for the 2010 season.
I just want to say how refreshing it is to be talking about other people in conflict besides the LA/AC/JB row.

Maybe there can be a thread, Peloton Peyton Place sans Lance.
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Old 10-26-09, 16:49
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Yep, a classy rider wouldn't proclaim himself "the best climber in the world" after getting dropped by his major adversary on the big race's first summit finish.

Maybe Sastre should be thanking Schecklet for losing major minutes earlier in the 2008 Tour eliminating himself from overall contention
thus making Sastre Saxo Bank's last and only chance of winning the Tour by the time of the Alpe D'Huez stage.

This sounds strangely like a certain someone who insists that another certain someone should have been thanking his teammates for their contribution to his Tour victory, although the first certain someone neglected to make an appearance at the victory dinner because he was too busy celebrating the creation of his own team for the 2010 season.
Hopefully the situation's not quite that bad - otherwise we'd have been hearing about how Sastre stole Andy's energy gels on Hautacam. Schlecklet's probably still just about young enough to be a kid who doesn't know when to shut up, rather than just an unmitigated ******nozzle.
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Old 10-26-09, 17:48
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“We didn’t get along. I never understood what was his problem,” he explained. “He won the Tour and everyone who watched the television and knows a bit about cycling could see that we sacrificed ourselves for him. And then he went to the press and said things that didn’t make sense, like that we did not want to work for him. We were one hundred percent with him, working for him. He has a problem in his head!

“Frank was pretty good that day [on Alpe d’Huez]. He could have won the Tour, but Carlos attacked, won and that’s it. All happy. It bothered us what he said in the press.”

what he's saying makes sense, we all saw what a great job they did in marking the attacks of the other riders, so you can understand their frustration after sastre said something like that
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Old 10-26-09, 18:09
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““Frank was pretty good that day [on Alpe d’Huez]. He could have won the Tour, but Carlos attacked, won and that’s it. All happy. It bothered us what he said in the press.”
The only way Frank could have won the Tour was if Evans completely blew up on Alpe D'Huez, which he didn't and/or crashed out during the final ITT, which he didn't. Frank's ITT was so horrible he dropped about 4 places in the GC so of course this is just little brother giving his big bro some dapp that is clearly not based in reality.
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“We didn’t get along. I never understood what was his problem,” he explained. “He won the Tour and everyone who watched the television and knows a bit about cycling could see that we sacrificed ourselves for him. And then he went to the press and said things that didn’t make sense, like that we did not want to work for him. We were one hundred percent with him, working for him. He has a problem in his head!

“Frank was pretty good that day [on Alpe d’Huez]. He could have won the Tour, but Carlos attacked, won and that’s it. All happy. It bothered us what he said in the press.”

what he's saying makes sense, we all saw what a great job they did in marking the attacks of the other riders, so you can understand their frustration after sastre said something like that
Well, some of it makes sense, but I'd say Sastre's probably right about them not really wanting to work for him. Obviously they did, but somehow I think that Andy would have preferred to be working for Fränk. Yeah, Sastre didn't need to talk to the press about it, but that doesn't make it untrue, nor does it make him crazy.

I'm not convinced by his suggestion that Fränk could have won, either. It was pretty obvious that Andy was in great shape on the Alpe, but I don't remember thinking Fränk looked like he could ride away from everyone else.
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Old 10-26-09, 20:08
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Hoogerland lashes out at RAB. He rode 2 seasons for RAB as a junior and in 2001, aged 18, he was forced to leave even after his RvV win. In 2001 a doping control revealed a suspicious epi/test ratio, for which he now has a medical attest (it was proven that he has naturally high levels)

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"Rabobank heeft me keihard laten vallen."

"Rabobank dropped me like a stone."

"Ze hebben me geen seconde gesteund, terwijl ze dat wel tegen me hadden gezegd. Ik stond er helemaal alleen voor. Ik vind het niet normaal dat je zo met een jonge renner omgaat."

"They never supported me, not for a second, while they had promised me they would. I was left out in the cold, all by myself. That's no way to treat young riders."

"Ze hadden de positieve test nooit bekend hoeven te maken. Ze hadden het onderzoek waaruit bleek dat de verstoorde verhouding lichaamseigen was kunnen afwachten. Dan was er nooit iets aan de hand geweest."

"There was no reason to prematurely release the results of the positive test. They could have waited for the second test which showed that the distorted values occurred naturally. Then nothing would have happened" [ie he would not have had a bad rep]

According to Jan Raas he should have sued them for libel/slander, to which Hoogerand replies "I might have won that case"
Hoogerland is going to train in Spain in a couple of weeks to lay the basis for success in the classics.

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Old 10-26-09, 20:27
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Yeah, but you probably can't sue your team for libel/slander without getting yourself a bad reputation as an 18-year-old troublemaker, even if you are right and the team is wrong.

Does everybody in pro cycling have naturally high hematocrit? Wait, never mind. That's a question for the clinic.
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