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Old 11-15-12, 14:20
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Yeah and Samu Sanchez was second, but without any chance of winning.
Luckily Phil is better than him on hills like the final one in Lombardia. Although Ryo's conclusion is that the race is too hard for Phil because he got dropped on Sormano. Are you saying the race is too hard for the rider that was second(Samu)? That's ridiculous.
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horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato
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Old 11-15-12, 15:57
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The "It's too hard for Gilbert" question is coming up in every single race thread.

Yet the same people argued that Gerrans was a favorite for the WC lol. Or even better, Nordhaug.
Well Nordhaug was between 5th and 7th on the top of Cauberg, so to have named him as one of the favourites wouldn't be all that ridiculous.

But of course, any climb of a reasonable length might be too hard for Gilbert. I think Willunga hill is within his limits, though. It's not exactly a mountain...An out-of shape EBH was 6th there last year, although he is more of a "tempo-climber" than Gilbert.
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Old 11-15-12, 16:01
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Luckily Phil is better than him on hills like the final one in Lombardia. Although Ryo's conclusion is that the race is too hard for Phil because he got dropped on Sormano. Are you saying the race is too hard for the rider that was second(Samu)? That's ridiculous.
Both Samu and probably Gilbert(if he hadn't stressed out after the Sormano and crashed) would have probably gotten stronger in the last 50 kilometers, while the rest was suffering more. Phil is also a good rain rider, although he might have taken a little bit too much risk to get back. It's the longer climbs that don't suit Gilbert, not the race itself.
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Old 11-15-12, 16:03
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He was a few seconds behind on the Sormano, so was Samu Sanchez yet he was second that day. The hills after that climb were all in Phil's territory, so he could've won without that crash.

Phil always takes risks in a descent. He won Lombardia in 2010 by taking risks on the descent.

He was already back at the front and had a nice gap on the rest of the field. So no he wasn't taking risks to get back, he was taking risks to win the race. It's not that hard to understand now is it? He's not a coward and descends like a crazy man sometimes.

He was leading the race before he crashed, get that through your thick skull.

You're acting like the race finished on Sormano.
with few seconds you mean 30 seconds and in 15h position?
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Old 11-15-12, 16:04
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Luckily Phil is better than him on hills like the final one in Lombardia.
You mean the hill where he got dropped like a stone last year (best year in his career) by the great Oliver Zaugg?
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Old 11-15-12, 16:10
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You mean the hill where he got dropped like a stone last year (best year in his career) by the great Oliver Zaugg?
On a hill that many pure climbers like Rodriguez have been dropped too last year by Zaugg ?
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Old 11-15-12, 16:12
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On a hill that many pure climbers like Rodriguez have been dropped too last year ?
He got dropped later than Gilbert. If Gilbert's form was on a downward slope, then sure Purito's was, ever since the first week of the Vuelta.
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Old 11-15-12, 16:15
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You mean the hill where he got dropped like a stone last year (best year in his career) by the great Oliver Zaugg?
He also got dropped at Paris-Tours and Piemonte. Those races too hard for him as well?

His form was downhill. The riders that came from the Vuelta were much better than him at that point.

You also forget to mention that Phil had already been in the attack prior to that hill and Rodriguez had not. Are you really saying that Phil was in April shape at Lombardia? Come on now...

He was much better this year in the fall than last year. Too bad he crashed at Lombardia and didn't enter Piemonte and Paris-Tours, but that's cycling. Unpredictable.
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horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato
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Old 11-15-12, 16:29
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Luckily Phil is better than him on hills like the final one in Lombardia. Although Ryo's conclusion is that the race is too hard for Phil because he got dropped on Sormano. Are you saying the race is too hard for the rider that was second(Samu)? That's ridiculous.
Race was not too hard for Samu, he just didn't have the legs. He came second, but was 15th best at most. Would be the same for Gilbert, had he not crashed. Anyway, pointless discussion is pointless.
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Old 11-15-12, 16:34
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Yeah, hill is too hard, too bad the hill is comparable to where he made his winning move in 2009 and 2010.
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horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato
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