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Old 11-10-09, 18:40
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Kenny Williams was busted by USADA for taking DHEA and, to his credit, admitted to taking it for performance gains. This is the same substance Tyler Hamilton was busted for, but Tyler claimed he took it unintentionally because it was an ingredient in an over the counter antidepressant.

So, coincidence, or another BS excuse by Tyler?
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Old 11-10-09, 18:45
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Kenny Williams was busted by USADA for taking DHEA and, to his credit, admitted to taking it for performance gains. This is the same substance Tyler Hamilton was busted for, but Tyler claimed he took it unintentionally because it was an ingredient in an over the counter antidepressant.

So, coincidence, or another BS excuse by Tyler?
Tyler said he knew what he was taking was on the banned list, but took it anyway.

Kenny has been around the sport for years. Does anybody really believe this was the only time he doped and this was the only thing he was taking?
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Old 11-10-09, 19:06
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I take it for health/anti-ageing purposes and it makes me feel good mentally but it won't do a thing to help your recovery or performance in cycling or any other sport for certain, anyone who thinks otherwise is misled. I only suppliment with it as I have very low levels naturally and just 25mg oral daily brought levels up several times baseline helping depression significantly.

Although DHEA does have the possibility to convert to testosterone in reality it does not do so very much if at all in males, at least when taken orally. I have only seen one study to suggest that it can convert to testosterone in males and that was with transdermal administration and in very large doses. Unfortunately with these doses estradiol was very high (going by memory) which is not ideal for men.

Now of course there more than a small chance that Kenny was taking a little more than just DHEA. If it was just DHEA he was taking then he was unfortunate to get caught for something that won't work.
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Old 11-10-09, 19:14
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Tyler said he knew what he was taking was on the banned list, but took it anyway.

Kenny has been around the sport for years. Does anybody really believe this was the only time he doped and this was the only thing he was taking?
I do. But then, I believe Johan Museeuw only doped during the last year of his career, too. And that Boonen just has a drinking problem. And that Basso was only thinking about doping. And that Rasmus Damsgard is infallible.

In other words, I'm a believer.
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Old 11-11-09, 00:01
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Tyler said he knew what he was taking was on the banned list, but took it anyway.

Kenny has been around the sport for years. Does anybody really believe this was the only time he doped and this was the only thing he was taking?
Local consensus is, no. Having said that; whatever else he might have taken didn't enhance is overall ability to any great degree; he was beatable. The fact that he took anything emphasizes the pressure athletes can put on themselves when they lose sight of the bigger life picture. This wasn't about a big payday.
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Old 11-11-09, 03:07
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This guy is an idiot. Testing positive at master nats? His wife tested positive for the stimulant ephedra at (wait for it) master nationals around 2000-2001 time frame. And, if he's following his sport, he should know testers are looking for DHEA: Hamilton tested positive for it earlier this year. Hamilton. A guy who knows his way around a doping cycle. Keep that in mind.

DHEA isn't the drug Williams used to increase his performance. Hamilton either. It's only the one they got caught for. DHEA is most commonly used as a bridge between or immediately following a testosterone-/steroid-doping cycle when the body's ability to produce natural testosterone is depressed. When you see athletes testing positive for DHEA, androstendione, clomid, novadex and HCG they're bridging between cycles. This isn't Williams first rodeo. Google "post cycle therapy" or PCT.

Someone on the OBRA (Oregon Bicycle Racing Association) listserv stated that they could at least understand if he were racing as a professional. Williams did race professionally for but only a brief period in the early 90s. It seemed he could have raced pro but instead built a name for himself around the Northwest (States) for the past 20 years by beating up on whoever was left behind and, in the spirit of being a total pig, cherry picking the masters races too.

During that time he built a lucrative (relative to his previous job of sleeping on his girl friend's couch) coaching business. A lot of people suspected Williams of doping since he shied away from UCI races (Sea Otter, Redlands, etc.) where testing happened. If the guy wasn't such a jackass people might be willing to cut him some slack, but as it stands, there are so many who he beat and flipped off as being inferior that those people will come out of the woodwork on forums, listservs, blogs.

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Old 11-11-09, 03:14
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give him his dues, he was a mean cyclist for a basketballer
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Old 11-11-09, 04:23
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Amen, HelmutRoole.

"beating up on whoever was left behind and, in the spirit of being a total pig, cherry picking the masters races too."

That's why everyone in the Northwest calls him Kenny The Cash Register Williams.

The only reason he started even faking nice to people in the last few years is that he realized he could make money of them through coaching.

I wonder how many years ago he wrote that apology.
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Old 11-11-09, 04:45
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A couple of years back at Raod Nat.s you could have heard a pin drop at the starting line when they said they'd be testing the top five finishers.....I think it was the only 40+ race I've done that didn't go from the gun......and all the fav's sat in the back and did nothing....

Doping in masters? O.....I'd say you bet and more then you'd think!
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give him his dues, he was a mean cyclist for a basketballer
baseball, too. Man, the guy gets around. Drugs don't help you hit a curveball, I guess:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenny_Williams_(baseball)

For the record, he was never a 'Pro'. That's why he was able to race masters nationals right after he was a 'Pro'. He never pulled a pro license, or so his teammates said.

Personally, I find it odd that there's less outrage at an amateur getting busted on this forum. Not to get all 'self-defensive pro guy', but as a pro who's probably been accused of doping on this very forum, I think it's funny you guys aren't tearing into this more. Is it easier when it's some guy you see in magazines but don't have to line up with? Is it harder to condemn one of your own, or do people just not care? serious question.
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