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Old 07-16-10, 18:30
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on race Liege Baston Liege fans poured Vinokourov urine out of the bottle in one of the climbs I was a witness. Here's how to treat him normal fans
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Old 07-16-10, 19:16
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I love Vino and hope that when he retires he wuld become a DS at Astana. If he, with his tactics would lead a team, it would at the very least animate the race greatly.
I also love the manner in which he puts the team and the country before himself, he seems really proud with everyone on the team and really wishes the best for them al

(also interesting that half of the posts in this topic come from people I have ignored, should I perhaps reconsider ignoring them?)
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Old 07-16-10, 19:42
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He is showing the way to do it..
The whole Astana team has been working great.
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Old 07-16-10, 19:54
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Did anyone else get a nostalgic feeling today, when Vino and Klöden were riding together?

I hoped one of the two would get the stage win, but it was not to be, a shame....
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Old 07-16-10, 20:01
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Denkoff, half of your incredibly brief posting history is pimping out some stupid youtube compilation video you made. Go away or start posting better.

As to the subject at hand (big post incoming)...

Vino is awesome. I just can't fight it. He was one of the first guys I took a liking to when I started watching cycling on TV, and one of the guys that really broke my heart when he got caught. I think after David Millar and Ivan Basso he's the rider whose downfall has disappointed me the most.

I really wanted to hate him when he came back from suspension. He didn't make a full confession, and he certainly didn't repent for his actions. He made his return riding for a team I don't trust with riders I don't like. If he'd come back and climbed like Contador in the Vuelta or the Giro, which I was half expecting him to do, I think I'd probably still hate him today.

I'm heartened by his decidedly human GT performances, but what really converted me back in to a Vino fan was watching him ride like a maniac this May. He just can't help attacking; it's in his DNA, and it's great to watch. He animates nearly every race he enters, and doesn't seem to care if his aggression backfires on him. He may have been frustrated at the finish today, but I don't think anyone would dare allege that we have seen the last of Vino at this year's Tour.

Can he win a stage? He'll certainly try. Predicting which he might have a chance at is difficult, though. Out of those that remain, none really screams 'VINO', but I wouldn't write any off completely with the possible exception of the Tourmalet finish on stage 17. 14, 15 and 16 all have hors categorie climbs that would see him easily dropped if any of the GC heads-of-state lift the pace, but all of the summits come before the finish so there is always a chance of a GC stalemate or chasing back on the descent.

I suspect the climb up to Ax-3 Domaines on Sunday will be too much for him, but the descent of the Port de Bales the next day and the flat run-in to Pau the day after that are both finales where he could gett away from a group. If I had to pick one, Stage 16 to Pau would probably be it. I think the day before the Tourmalet will see GC riders marking each other and trying to conserve energy, and the Aubisque (though tough) is less than spectacular and more than 50km from the finish. If he can get in a move of less threatening riders on that climb, or attack the remnants of the peloton on the flat, he'll be in with a great chance.

Of course, the fact that tomorrow and the final two road stages are mostly flat doesn't preclude Vino from winning them. He could always slip in to the break of the day or make a kamikaze move inside the last 10km. With Columbia down on manpower and Farrar out of the race I think we will be seeing less organisation and urgency in both the chase and the finale of these stages, and I suspect Lampre and Cervelo will be only too happy to let breakaways eat up the big points at the finish and reduce the chances of Cav closing the gap to green.

Who knows, he might even win the ITT!

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Old 07-16-10, 20:17
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I love Vino and all, but he never climbed with the best climbers prior to his ban. That was the beauty of it, he was still a contender because he was constantly pulling things like what he did today. In that regard, I don't see much of a difference between his GT performances before and after the ban (allowing also for his being older now).
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Old 07-16-10, 20:27
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I love Vino and all, but he never climbed with the best climbers prior to his ban. That was the beauty of it, he was still a contender because he was constantly pulling things like what he did today. In that regard, I don't see much of a difference between his GT performances before and after the ban (allowing also for his being older now).
Oh I know, and I'm by no means certain he's riding clean these days, but he's so awesome I don't care.
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Old 07-16-10, 20:31
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Vinokourov said that would be dope to eat until you grow boobs
I just sprayed coffee over my keyboard
LOL!!!!
Great stuff.
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Old 07-16-10, 20:36
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Vino is awesome. I just can't fight it. He was one of the first guys I took a liking to when I started watching cycling on TV, and one of the guys that really broke my heart when he got caught. I think after David Millar and Ivan Basso he's the rider whose downfall has disappointed me the most.
Broke your heart? How so?
Me, seeing little kids in cancer treatment centres breaks my heart, or when Brad (that b*stard) dumped Jennifer (shes sooooo sweet). But Vino getting his @** busted for The D Word, heartbreaking? Not!
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