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Old 07-26-10, 23:33
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I suppose I should know this but, with all the talk that EPO appearing on the scene in 1991, 1992 - do people suggest that Miguel Indurian was doping? If so why don't we hear more accusations for him to come clean? How about Merckx, I had no idea that he worked worked with Dr. Ferrari! Does any say the Cannibal doped? Love to hear anyones insights...
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without epo indurain would've dominated far more tours imo. the man was naturally physically gifted beyond believe. look up his long capacity in the guiness book of records pls.
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Merckx actually tested positive.

As for Indurain, I think the French Federation said he tested positive for something (salbutamol, maybe?) but nothing came out of it. Other than that, there's not much. His association with Sabino Padilla raises some eyebrows, and considering the epoch he lived in it's hard to think he could possibly be clean. Not that many riders took EPO in 1991 though, I believe it really got out of hand in 1993-1996.

So the answer to the original question is "probably".
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Old 07-27-10, 03:41
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It is easy to tell that I'm a huge Indurain fan, but I'm not blind either. Yes he was truley gifted and a real gentleman on and off the bike. His positive he had was asmtha related drug and not performance enhancing. There has been some talk about Blood transfusions (but may have been before they were illegal). But the biggest accusation is outlined below in the quote. Indurain denied the accusations and basically said that the tour can be won clean and that no matter what he saysit wont' change people's opinion so this will be the last he says on the matter (can't find quote for this sorry).

I personally don't care if he doped or not. it was the culture back then and his results aren't really why I liked the guy. Even Armstrong couldn't understand why he is seem unfavourably after giving stage win 'gifts' out and Indurain wasn't. I'd suppose it would have something to do with letting everyone know you gave a gift. Indurain use to purposely slow down and let a breakaway rider win if he didn't need the time. They'd come and thank him after. I use to hate how commentators use to always say Indurain doesn't win a stage of the tour other than timetrials. He could have won many.


Thomas Davey a rider who rode with Banesto for 2yrs I think, stated that the Banesto team had organised doping. When asked if he saw Indurain using dope, he said he hadn't but suspected that he was. Here is the quote from cyclingnews http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/resul...ct28news.shtml
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Spanish newspaper, Marca, published a story today reacting strongly against the accusations/insinuations of former Banesto rider, Thomas Davy, against five-time Tour de France winner, Miguel Indurain. They called it a "personal revenge campaign" after Davy had said that systematic doping was common in the Banesto team in 1995 and 1996 (when he was there), and Miguel Indurain could not be excluded.

"Without proof, no-one may touch Miguel Indurain," said the article. "He undertook a hundred doping controls throughout his career that showed him to be clean." However as has been pointed out previously, there were no reliable EPO tests at that time so the posturing is false, whether Indurain took EPO or not.

Eusebio Unzué categorically denied everything that Davy had said on Thursday during the trial, and said that he was "surprised" by the claims. "Perhaps Davy wanted revenge because we got rid of him for being unprofessional."

Current Festina cyclist, Angel Casero was also a member of Banesto from 1994 to 1997 and he shared the same doctor as Davy (Sabino Padilla). "We knew at all times what the medicines were that entered our body," said Casero, adding that the accusations were just "personal opinion to which it is not necessary to pay more attention."

Similarly, Oscar Freire said that the rumours were just creating controversy. "I only know that Indurain was a great champion and for that reason he won five Tours de France," said Freire.
As far as Indurain coming clean, don't hold your breath, as this was his response to Riis coming clean to doping

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After Bjarne Riis' confession that he used EPO during the Tour de France 1996, Miguel Indurain stated that he did not like the declarations of Riis, who was the one to conclude the Spaniards five-year reign. "I don't understand why he made these confessions eleven years after. But he is old enough and he will know better than anybody else why he did it," he said to Marca.

He believes that the confessions of Riis "did not do any favours for cycling. Actually, there are many people who hope that this sport comes out of this bottomless pit, and things like this take from everyone's courage."

Indurain does not want to take away from Riis' 1996 win. "I don't want to detract from what Riis did, but my impression is that he did not overwhelm me, that it was me who lost the Tour. I did all I could to be in front and at the end I did not reach this goal. Riis and many others were stronger, and if there was anything irregular or not then it is not my affair."

Indurain does not want to call Riis "Mister 60 percent" like many others do. "I am not the one who should judge his declarations because only he knows what he did and only he is responsible of what he did."
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This is the way I see it.

Indurain became a special project of Dr. Conconi after the Tour of Future in '85 or '86--I forget which year. Conconi developed a five year plan to turn him into a TdF winner. He, along with Bugno and Chiappucci, was one of the first beneficiaries of EPO in teh TdF. Because he was a nice and humble guy who, unlike Armstrong, was smart enough not to challenge the press to prove he was doping, no one made a big issue of what he was doing.

The pre-Festina environment was considerably different than the post-Festina environment. Until about 2000, doping bans were only a few months and were often served during the off-season.
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For me this was the start of EPO.. Greg digging deap and suffering like a dog while Indurain just easily follows his wheel. Miguel easily spins away in the last k for the stage win. All the climbers are roadkill. All the tools were there for Indurain starting here.. He could have won easily in 1990. Indurain showed some class though. In the next 5 years he let it fly in the TTs and just marked any threats in the mountains.. His TT advantage was always enough. He could have pulled stunts like Riis did at Hautacam in 96 or what Armstrong did at Sistriere in 99 but he didn't. Indurain was the TT specialist and good enough all arounder to win..He could have played the absurd Superman in the mountains but if he had there would be EPO talk about him now..

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Old 07-27-10, 05:38
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Of course he was clean, I mean there have been a lot of guys his size that could hang with the best climbers and of course then blow them away away on the flats and TT's.
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Old 07-27-10, 05:45
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Miguel knew he would be scum of the earth if he started bolting away and taking 5 min per stage in the mountains..and he was right...Perhaps Miguel knew he could get caught..Riis and Armstrong knew they wouldn't so why not indulge in the ridiculous and then just say "prove it"?
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