Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard: The Butterfly Effect

[Froome]

To me it just seems like they're gonna try to get him in a good but not perfect shape and just see what happens. Vingegaard is obviously motivated. If he's not good enough then there's La Vuelta. And I only think they'll take him out if he gets worse during the race.

The Tour will be decided in the last week, it's very backloaded. If he starts the Tour in good shape, and he is able to improve in the first 2 weeks and peak in the last week, then it could even be very beneficial for him.

 

[noob]

Everyone is like can he get back to his best? But hear this, what if he comes back even stronger!

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwTsUfGeshY

Tactically analysis might not be the forte of the cycling Dane, but I totally agree it's better to focus on 2025.

With that said nothing about these last seasons makes me believe it's impossible to even win this year. It's just unneccessarily stupid and risky lol.

 

[Peyroteo94]

This dude is extraordinary, he recovers like nobody and that is the reason why he is a two time Tour de France winner. If someone is able to get this setback and comeback in a record time,that man is the fisherman! I still don't see him winning the Tour but Vuelta is very possible.

 

[Froome]

Træner løfter sløret: Sådan er Vingegaards vej tilbage

Tim Heemskerk følger Tour-vinderens vej tilbage mod topformen fra tætteste hold. Her giver han et indblik i processen

ekstrabladet.dk

@Mlarsen it would be interesting to see what the coach of Vingegaard said in this article.

 

[kn0s]

Træner løfter sløret: Sådan er Vingegaards vej tilbage

Tim Heemskerk følger Tour-vinderens vej tilbage mod topformen fra tætteste hold. Her giver han et indblik i processen

ekstrabladet.dk

@Mlarsen it would be interesting to see what the coach of Vingegaard said in this article.

I'm not paying for access to that paper, but the first part is just more of the same "it's too early to tell"

 

[Elos Anjos]

This dude is extraordinary, he recovers like nobody and that is the reason why he is a two time Tour de France winner. If someone is able to get this setback and comeback in a record time,that man is the fisherman! I still don't see him winning the Tour but Vuelta is very possible.

You're confusing recovery from the aerobic and anaerobic efforts with recovery from sustained physical damages. Can he recover from cancer too?

 

[Extinction]

You're confusing recovery from the aerobic and anaerobic efforts with recovery from sustained physical damages. Can he recover from cancer too?

Well, you'll have to ask Lance that.

 

[Mlarsen]

News from the 10th. of may about JV:

- Ingen forbedrer sig så hurtigt som Vingegaard, siger træner

Der venter Jonas Vingegaard nogle uger med basistræning, fortæller hans træner Tim Heemskerk.

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[Jeppeb]

Literally just drove past Jonas yesterday while he was on a training ride alone, he still looks in pretty damn good shape! He will win again this year.

 

[Mlarsen]

Literally just drove past Jonas yesterday while he was on a training ride alone, he still looks in pretty damn good shape! He will win again this year.

I also sometimes drive past him in a car on the island of Mors when he is training in Denmark, but have not seen him yet in connection with his rehabilitation. Glad to hear he's doing well

 

[TrekCyclist]

The Tour will be decided in the last week, it's very backloaded. If he starts the Tour in good shape, and he is able to improve in the first 2 weeks and peak in the last week, then it could even be very beneficial for him.

To be able to do that, you need a very solid base. Not sure, if he can manage to get a very solid base until end of June, given the circumstances. Exactely that was Pogi's problem last year (at least one of his problems).

 

[Red Rick]

Running into pro riders on the road makes me realise cycling is the sport that's closest to Pokémon Go that you can just mind your own business but run into legendaries if you're in the right location

 

[shadowrider]

Exactly. I'm pretty sure Vingegaard will be in a good shape at the start of the Tour (if participating). BUT.... As Evenepoel was in a good shape at the start of the Giro 21, as Pogacar was in a good shape at the start of the Tour 23. Both without the perfect basis. Then a relapse always follows. The same will happen with Vingegaard.

 

[CyclistAbi]

So 50 days till the start and currently Jonas on some light training. Nah, that is too little time to get into Tour winning shape. Unless the plan is to get in reasonable shape and then to try to be there and see on how it goes. That is to try to leverage from other favourites potentiality having some issues. We'll see.

 

[Froome]

Exactly. I'm pretty sure Vingegaard will be in a good shape at the start of the Tour (if participating). BUT.... As Evenepoel was in a good shape at the start of the Giro 21, as Pogacar was in a good shape at the start of the Tour 23. Both without the perfect basis. Then a relapse always follows. The same will happen with Vingegaard.

Like i said, Pogacar just had a bad day, and hear something about stomach issues. He didn't fade during all the third week

 

[shadowrider]

Like i said, Pogacar just had a bad day, and hear something about stomach issues. He didn't fade during all the third week

Of course he did. Even during the first two weeks it was obvious Poga was good, but not at top level. Then he had the logical relapse at the and of the Tour. Himself and his team of course never admitted it was due to the (not ideal) preparation. For "clarity". Poga wil also have a difficult last week in the Tour to come. Due to his efforts in the Giro (and the not perfect preparation for the Tour). Not as bad as last year. But given the fact that Vingegaard will not be at his best (or even not participating), that Roglic is allmost 35, that Evenepoel will have a few bad days, Pogacar could still win the Tour.

 

[Froome]

Of course he did. Even during the first two weeks it was obvious Poga was good, but not at top level. Then he had the logical relapse at the and of the Tour. Himself and his team of course never admitted it was due to the (not ideal) preparation. For "clarity". Poga wil also have a difficult last week in the Tour to come. Due to his efforts in the Giro (and the not perfect preparation for the Tour). Not as bad as last year. But given the fact that Vingegaard will not be at his best (or even not participating), that Roglic is allmost 35, that Evenepoel will have a few bad days, Pogacar could still win the Tour.

I don't know if it's true, because they were saying he was doing better perfomances than in 2022.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

I don't know if it's true, because they were saying he was doing better perfomances than in 2022.

Pogačar was definitely better in ’23, or at least his peak shape was, because he could actually get Vingegaard off his wheel on a good day. He also wasn‘t beaten by their kilojoule strategy on Joux Plane

 

[Red Rick]

He also wasn‘t beaten by their kilojoule strategy on Joux Plane

He went from torching Vingegaard at the end of an easy day to being pulled back after his attack, so I'd say it worked.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

To me the question is not only about training shortcomings but also when his lung will fully recover so his engine can produce top wattage. I would say breathing is rather important for thermonuclear w/kg!

 

[Lequack]

But on the other hand, he will be much more rested than other competitors.

 

[Nick2413]

To me the question is not only about training shortcomings but also when his lung will fully recover so his engine can produce top wattage. I would say breathing is rather important for thermonuclear w/kg!

Oxygen is not required for nuclear reactions to occur so those thermonuclear w/kg will be there lungs or no lungs

 

[Froome]

Oxygen is not required for nuclear reactions to occur so those thermonuclear w/kg will be there lungs or no lungs

Vingegaard was in the area 51 in the last weeks, where they put him a update software who has a new perfect lungs.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

The lung issue was just a ruse. The guy's got gills and they've worked fine all along.

 

[Red Rick]

Tactically analysis might not be the forte of the cycling Dane, but I totally agree it's better to focus on 2025.

With that said nothing about these last seasons makes me believe it's impossible to even win this year. It's just unneccessarily stupid and risky lol.

What risk?

Nobody is talking about racing Vingegaard when he's not healthy

You just try the Tour, if it doesn't work, you ride it in service of the Vuelta later