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16 Feb 2017 20:41

Semper Fidelis wrote:
djpbaltimore wrote:I offer no excuses. I flat out overreacted yesterday. Irondan is a great mod and didn't deserve the disrespectful comment that I threw in his direction. The matter was settled behind the scenes last night and I will post in a non-personal manner according to the rules of the forum.

Way to go. What was it you said about apologies in the politics thread. Was it a sincere apology?

BY THE WAY -

Never PM me again and tell me not to reply.


Otherwise what will happen?

I'm sorry, I just have to ask.
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16 Feb 2017 20:43

He will PM him back :lol:
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16 Feb 2017 20:59

kingjr wrote:
Semper Fidelis wrote:
djpbaltimore wrote:I offer no excuses. I flat out overreacted yesterday. Irondan is a great mod and didn't deserve the disrespectful comment that I threw in his direction. The matter was settled behind the scenes last night and I will post in a non-personal manner according to the rules of the forum.

Way to go. What was it you said about apologies in the politics thread. Was it a sincere apology?

BY THE WAY -

Never PM me again and tell me not to reply.


Otherwise what will happen?

I'm sorry, I just have to ask.

HE said basically the same thing to me in a PM. As a threat. Who knows what is on the mind of this kid.
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16 Feb 2017 21:01

Netserk wrote:He will PM him back :lol:

I was but he threatened to ignore me so I just did not do it. :geek:
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16 Feb 2017 21:06

He apologised to me with what I felt was a sincere apology.

I would appreciate it if we let this one quietly disappear.

TIA :)
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16 Feb 2017 22:01

Semper Fidelis wrote:
kingjr wrote:
Semper Fidelis wrote:
djpbaltimore wrote:I offer no excuses. I flat out overreacted yesterday. Irondan is a great mod and didn't deserve the disrespectful comment that I threw in his direction. The matter was settled behind the scenes last night and I will post in a non-personal manner according to the rules of the forum.

Way to go. What was it you said about apologies in the politics thread. Was it a sincere apology?

BY THE WAY -

Never PM me again and tell me not to reply.


Otherwise what will happen?

I'm sorry, I just have to ask.

HE said basically the same thing to me in a PM. As a threat. Who knows what is on the mind of this kid.


In reply to the post "Sad that when folks are young they can't ever see the errors in their ways. Perhaps a "safe place" would be a better option?" I wrote a PM so as not to clutter the thread. Guess that boat has sailed. Here is what I wrote (even with a horrible typo).

Do you suppose that I apologized directly to Irondan last night once I gave the situation more thought? Please don't reply this PM as it will go unread.
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16 Feb 2017 22:07

The plot thickens!
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17 Feb 2017 15:00

kingjr wrote:The plot thickens!

Indeed Friend jr.
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01 Mar 2017 20:18

Dear Moderators, I hope this is the right thread for complaints.

I am responsible for raising doubts on the Haribos eaten by the World Champion, Mr. Peter Sagan from Slovakia. My humble posts have been deleted by your colleague Mr. Irondan, who seems to be upset about the speculation. I was contacted in private, but did not get a reply to my defense. Therefore I turn to you to express the displeasure I encountered on the forum.

The apparent violations of the forum policy were threefold:
1. Fabrication of a story;
2. Statements outside the realm of common knowledge;
3. Omission of the clause that I limit myself to my personal opinion.

I contest all three.

I made it clear in plenty of replies in the thread that the logic derived from the images of Peter Sagan stuffing his mouth with gummy bears (i.e. that he was given a masking agent) is speculation. I did not "fabricate" this story by planting false evidence or handing Peter Sagan gummy bears only to then question his diet. I literally used the clause "to me seems like" to hedge my conclusions. I referred to literature on strategies to cheat which are common knowledge (the book by Willy Voet). I provided evidence in favour and against the theory, and was nuanced at all time.

In my opinion, I have been treated unfairly and was the victim of ridicule and a lack of respect. I am not a specialist in medicine, but I am a specialist in logic. I do not want to use authority arguments, but it is outright offensive to suppose other people are dumb.

I understand debates can get heated and threads need moderation. It is natural that discussions get personal when people are anonymous and emotionally involved. However, I find that the accusation of violations of the forum policy, notably in the clinic, carries very little weight. It would be appreciated if the moderator offered me excuses for his direct interventions in my posts.

This world needs more respect and imagination.

Best wishes

Tom
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01 Mar 2017 20:31

For what little it matters, Tom, I didn't have anything at all against your posts, but I do believe that they deserved the amount of ridicule they got.
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01 Mar 2017 20:33

Scatto wrote:Dear Moderators, I hope this is the right thread for complaints.

I am responsible for raising doubts on the Haribos eaten by the World Champion, Mr. Peter Sagan from Slovakia. My humble posts have been deleted by your colleague Mr. Irondan, who seems to be upset about the speculation. I was contacted in private, but did not get a reply to my defense. Therefore I turn to you to express the displeasure I encountered on the forum.

The apparent violations of the forum policy were threefold:
1. Fabrication of a story;
2. Statements outside the realm of common knowledge;
3. Omission of the clause that I limit myself to my personal opinion.

I contest all three.

I made it clear in plenty of replies in the thread that the logic derived from the images of Peter Sagan stuffing his mouth with gummy bears (i.e. that he was given a masking agent) is speculation. I did not "fabricate" this story by planting false evidence or handing Peter Sagan gummy bears only to then question his diet. I literally used the clause "to me seems like" to hedge my conclusions. I referred to literature on strategies to cheat which are common knowledge (the book by Willy Voet). I provided evidence in favour and against the theory, and was nuanced at all time.

In my opinion, I have been treated unfairly and was the victim of ridicule and a lack of respect. I am not a specialist in medicine, but I am a specialist in logic. I do not want to use authority arguments, but it is outright offensive to suppose other people are dumb.

I understand debates can get heated and threads need moderation. It is natural that discussions get personal when people are anonymous and emotionally involved. However, I find that the accusation of violations of the forum policy, notably in the clinic, carries very little weight. It would be appreciated if the moderator offered me excuses for his direct interventions in my posts.

This world needs more respect and imagination.

Best wishes

Tom

First of all, I don't get upset when I post comments or send out warnings, at least not in the public forum anyway. There's nothing that I wrote that would contradict this, if you "felt" something else that's not by my doing. My posting style has always been direct, and to the point.

Second of all, you clearly posted in violation of forum policy in which I sent you an official board warning. I rarely, if ever respond to board warning responses. That's something that none of the moderators do very much at all. If they do, it's because of exceptional circumstances. If there's more than a handful of members that have ever got a response from me because of a warning response over the years I'd be very surprised. We don't respond to warning responses because most of the time the responding message is out of anger and full of belittling, cursing, demanding requests, unreasonable behavior and disrespect for our position. With that said, mostly all of the warning responses sent to me go unread and ignored. These board warnings are sent out frequently, which would keep all the mods writing back and forth to people in perpetuum, without resolution. Therefore it's not a practice that mods and admins engage in. If you or anyone else had any idea how many comments that I read here in the forum and the website per day, warnings that I issue and bans that I implement you'd understand that there's nothing personal about anything that I do.

Thirdly, you have not been treated unfairly. I would do exactly the same thing and said the same thing to any other member in the forum under the same circumstances. As for being ridiculed, well, you know that was others and not me. Being ridiculed isn't something that moderators would deal with unless the ridicule crossed the line against forum rules. In that case you should report the offending comment. Honestly, I didn't even know who you were until today.

One more thing: I just read your response to the board warning and will give you a partial response. The original post that you were warned for did not allude to being any sort of opinion or satire or anything else. You mentioned that in the following posts that it's clear that it's just an opinion. That's fine but I don't operate that way. We read each post as to it's own merit. If you clear up something down-thread but are warned anyway it's because we didn't get past your post before we sent out a warning and the fact that each post is scrutinized for it's content, not for what it may say down-thread.

You were not the only person that was warned, and had comments deleted.

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02 Mar 2017 09:50

Hi Mods,

The recent revelations about BC/Sky are obviously a huge talking point, but the discussions are split across several different threads in the clinic. Would it be possible to try and amalgamate them into a single, new thread? I realise that might be a lot of work. Even if it were just the posts from yesterday it would be a good starting point.
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02 Mar 2017 13:26

It's ok, the new thread on masking agents is a good solution. We're having fun.
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02 Mar 2017 13:27

King Boonen wrote:Hi Mods,

The recent revelations about BC/Sky are obviously a huge talking point, but the discussions are split across several different threads in the clinic. Would it be possible to try and amalgamate them into a single, new thread? I realise that might be a lot of work. Even if it were just the posts from yesterday it would be a good starting point.


I would suggest creating one new thread, based on Wiggins/Brailsford/UKAD - put the posts into there.
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02 Mar 2017 13:31

thehog wrote:
King Boonen wrote:Hi Mods,

The recent revelations about BC/Sky are obviously a huge talking point, but the discussions are split across several different threads in the clinic. Would it be possible to try and amalgamate them into a single, new thread? I realise that might be a lot of work. Even if it were just the posts from yesterday it would be a good starting point.


I would suggest creating one new thread, based on Wiggins/Brailsford/UKAD - put the posts into there.

That's probably a good idea, it's getting hard to follow the conversations.
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24 Mar 2017 11:02

Errr... should I/we go report every post from the very busy spammer in the Road: General section individually, or are you on it?
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24 Mar 2017 11:10

RedheadDane wrote:Errr... should I/we go report every post from the very busy spammer in the Road: General section individually, or are you on it?
If that's not a bot - or multiple bots - you can call me 'Mads'. Actually, please don't call me that...


I reported a few, a large number got deleted but now a load more have appeared. I'm sure they're on it but it looks like a targeted thing that might be difficult to keep on top of.
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24 Mar 2017 11:11

RedheadDane wrote:Errr... should I/we go report every post from the very busy spammer in the Road: General section individually, or are you on it?
If that's not a bot - or multiple bots - you can call me 'Mads'. Actually, please don't call me that...

one is usually enough. :o
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24 Mar 2017 11:12

Report them all and take the spam to the next level! :lol:

edit: Just imagine if the bots targeted the report system :eek:
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24 Mar 2017 11:12

Yeah, saw that thread in the cafe.
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Though, you seem to accidentally have killed the Where did you ride your bike today? thread... or... maybe I'm just blind.
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