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Why was the United States of Omerta thread deleted?

01 Mar 2013 21:33

Justcycling

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02 Mar 2013 00:07

The thread that had this in it?

The right wing columnist Woodrow Wyatt self-styled himself 'the voice of reason'. Private Eye styled him as the 'voice of Alzheimer's' owing to his ability to forget the things he had previous said and done.

We have this piece by Benson with no sign of a mea culpa.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/...ates-of-omerta

It is all well and good for Benson to criticise others, but he should really be a bit more up front and self-critical here and CN itself ought to think about a mea culpa. CN's coverage of Armstrong over the years has been hagiographic for the most part. Uncritically reporting on his every move and thought and dismissing any critics.

At no point does Benson hold his hands up and say 'we got it wrong' or even reflect on how CN played its part in building up and maintaining the Armstrong myth. Remember those articles about Armstrong and Sheryl Crow, Armstrong doing some running, if Armstrong had opened an envelope CN would have sent someone along to report on it.

Benson talks about how whistleblowers should have been supported but he seems to forget how CN facilitated the personal attacks on Landis and others by David Millar. CN gleefully repeated all of these attacks uncritically.

Benson talks about how the media has been complicit in omerta. Who can forget the irony of this when Laura Weislo went onto twitter to cry about how journalists were being blamed for maintaining omerta.

Benson talks about how journalists 'are now asking tough questions' is this going to extend to CN? Are they going to start grilling Sky and Wiggins on their lack of transparency and hiring dopers? Or asking David Millar about the contradictions in his comments and actions? Or is it going to be more of the same - hagiography until the balloon goes up and then hand wringing and saying we knew all along? Is it going to be more fawning puff pieces from Westemeyer, Friebe?

Is new 'tough' journalism merely going what its been in the past - namely piling onto the whipping boys like Ricco and now Armstrong, or is it actually going to put its head above the parapet and go for Brailsford, Cavendish, Wiggins, Phinney and all the latest golden boys of cycling?

Will Benson's new 'tough' journalism survive when Sky or Saxo threaten to cut access to Wiggins or Contador? When the invites to those training camps in Spain in February dry up, when the invites to the new team kit launch or bike launch stop coming, or when its a slow news day and they need something to pass off on the newsfeed?

It's hard to take Benson's article serious given CN attitude and coverage over the years and the lack of self-reflection or criticism suggests that Benson and the other CN journalists don't think that they've got anything wrong, all which doesn't really bode well for the future.


I would say its self explanatory
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02 Mar 2013 00:20

Not really, after all Benson responded in the thread and there was a discussion about the article. If it was so self-explanatory it would surely been deleted there and then. It was up and around for several months.
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02 Mar 2013 18:28

Mrs John Murphy wrote:http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=18412

and when, why and who by?


I just found the thread and posted on it, so not sure why you can't:confused:
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02 Mar 2013 19:21

ferryman wrote:I just found the thread and posted on it, so not sure why you can't:confused:

Mods can post on closed threads, the mortals can't ;)
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02 Mar 2013 21:37

Huh? It's not closed.

I love that line - "What we've got here, is FAILURE to communicate. Some men you just can't reach. . . ." the Captain, Cool Hand Luke.

Except, in this case, it was a failure to look. I found the thread, on about page 25 or so, last post was in October last year, it isn't closed at all. Nor is it deleted - MJM - are you making uncorroborated allegations again? Trying to create some smoke again? :D
That thread is still there.
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02 Mar 2013 21:46

I just had a look and I can't see the thread, maybe like Netserk said mods can do and see things others can't.

I know there is a link in the OP but for the sake of argument link the thread here so people can see that everyone can access it.
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02 Mar 2013 21:50

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02 Mar 2013 21:54

I think it has been moderated by the power above us.
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02 Mar 2013 22:17

This is odd - it is NOT showing as deleted to me. I'll look into what is going on.
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02 Mar 2013 22:31

Netserk wrote:I think it has been moderated by the power above us.


It looks like it. I'm sorry but I can't shed any more light on what happened with this thread or why or by whom.
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03 Mar 2013 00:45

hiero2 wrote:Huh? It's not closed.

I love that line - "What we've got here, is FAILURE to communicate. Some men you just can't reach. . . ." the Captain, Cool Hand Luke.

Except, in this case, it was a failure to look. I found the thread, on about page 25 or so, last post was in October last year, it isn't closed at all. Nor is it deleted - MJM - are you making uncorroborated allegations again? Trying to create some smoke again? :D
That thread is still there.


Or not as the case maybe. You've jumped the gun there.

If someone could find out why it has vanished that'd be nice.
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03 Mar 2013 01:14

Someone, obviously with administrator rights made it visible to specific members or mods. Vbulletin gives this option, some threads can be visible only to some members, or group of members. This thread is not deleted, it is hidden. Check in the properties of the thread in admin's board to find out what is going on .. It must have an option "visible to all/some/none" something like this. :)
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03 Mar 2013 01:22

Mrs John Murphy wrote:If someone could find out why it has vanished that'd be nice.

Did you go through your official CN checklist of automatic thread deletion infractions? Did the thread posses any of the following qualities?

Amusing to some members but not to some mods.

Contained threat of legal action by a member against CN (a very frightening prospect indeed ! :eek:)

Directly quoted from another thread that is still open for public viewing (especially if one of the quotes is from a mod, even though, as previously stated, that same thread is still open to the public).

This last infraction is apparently one of the more egregious ones. Do not, under any circumstances, quote directly from an already existing thread, especially if that thread contains subject matter that CN would rather have everyone forget about. If you do, all evidence of such behavior will instantly disappear into the void (or so I've been told :rolleyes:).
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03 Mar 2013 10:31

The thread is closed, but unlike normal closed threads, this one doesn't seem closet at first glance. Also unlike normal closed threads, I can't restore this one. There is simply nothing in my powers to do anything with the thread, so I think it has been 'moderated' by CN staff.
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03 Mar 2013 11:38

Odd. Not sure what happened there. It should be live again though.

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03 Mar 2013 12:25

Thanks. It lives.
Justcycling

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04 Mar 2013 04:32

Netserk wrote:...so I think it has been 'moderated' by CN staff.


Daniel Benson wrote:Odd. Not sure what happened there...


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04 Mar 2013 23:52

Mrs John Murphy wrote:Or not as the case maybe. You've jumped the gun there.

If someone could find out why it has vanished that'd be nice.


Sorry - you are correct. I could see it, it was not deleted, it was tagged, tho, as moderated. It seems we have some good ppl who know a bit more about how vbulletin works than I do - glad they are sharing it so I can learn.

I still like the Cool Hand Luke quote tho! :D

I finally looked up your sig quote - the Pixies.
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