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07 Jul 2013 06:31

DirtyWorks wrote:It's a Saturday too. I'm not very communicative during weekend outages either.

To answer another question, unless it's a bug fix, upgrades generally aren't faster than the app they replaced. This would be a hardware bottleneck. Perhaps reindexing the tables might help. Logs better be written to another disk.

Beyond some simpler things, the path to handling greater load when Froome is let off the chain may not be that easy.


Most likely the server's http ports got maxed out and as you probably know apache gets into a weird state when it runs out of resources. Once someone got the nagios page, they acted on it. We didn't lose any posts so they either restarted apache or rebooted. Who knows what state the server/services are in (up to date or not), again I doubt anyone who is on here actually knows anything or will be told, its not like the end of the world or if we're paying to use it so it falls off the end of the bit bucket.
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07 Jul 2013 06:33

Susan Westemeyer wrote:"I'm a doctor, Jim, not a programming specialist!"

which is my way of saying that error logs and error tabs and error whatnots mean absolutely nothing to me..... I will have UK editoral staff contact the Techies again this morning.

Susan


That's exactly what I said, why do you feel the need to belittle yourself?
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07 Jul 2013 06:45

ElChingon wrote:That's exactly what I said, why do you feel the need to belittle yourself?


Wow, what a nasty comment. Why do you feel the need to insult someone?
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07 Jul 2013 06:58

ElChingon wrote:Most likely the server's http ports got maxed out and as you probably know apache gets into a weird state when it runs out of resources.

You mean sockets rather than ports, right?
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07 Jul 2013 09:36

mewmewmew13 wrote:not cool Christian


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07 Jul 2013 12:56

DirtyWorks wrote:Your application stack looks like this:

nginx cache<-->forum software on http server <--> database stack.

I know the nginx cache was good, it was either the http server running out of resources, or something about a database failure.

My guess is it was the database backend running out of resources as it could not handle the thundering herd of inserts/updates caused by Froome's ridiculous performance.

I'd be interested to know if I'm close. PM me if you guys don't want to post it publicly. I don't know why you would want to hide it because it isn't that important.


As said by Ferm and Susan - the mods have no way of knowing. We're not tech staff.

ElChingon wrote:Basically no reply here means you're right :)

As per script, the mods will say they know nothing even if it was a downed server or someone accidentally pulled a plug. Some things are way too predictable :D


Said with a smile - but I'm in the eastern US, and the servers, and server techs are elsewhere in the Universe. I think GB somewhere.

ElChingon wrote:Well most forums allow mod/admins to view the error logs or error tab in the admin panel, its all there in black and white.

On the other hand, this forum either blocks you all from viewing any of that or its mums the word on the error log.


Most of us are in the "other hand" group.

I actually understand a little of what you guys are talking about - but I ain't anywhere near the servers, nor any of the server logs, nor any of the server admins/techies.

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07 Jul 2013 14:26

Don't be late Pedro wrote:You mean sockets rather than ports, right?


Yup, but as you can see even leaving that out the swoosh sound was loud, imagine if I went into heap and stack or even memory leaks :eek: :D

Seems they signed up the right crew to be admins here ;)
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07 Jul 2013 15:39

ElChingon wrote:Yup, but as you can see even leaving that out the swoosh sound was loud, imagine if I went into heap and stack or even memory leaks :eek: :D

Seems they signed up the right crew to be admins here ;)

In their defence they are meant to be moderators/forum admins not IT admins.
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07 Jul 2013 17:45

Don't be late Pedro wrote:In their defence they are meant to be moderators/forum admins not IT admins.


Well I'll have to disagree with you on that, most forums I have experienced with have more IT type people as part of the mod/admin group for a reason and those are forums that have nothing to do with anything related to IT or computers.
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07 Jul 2013 18:09

Susan Westemeyer wrote:Wow, what a nasty comment. Why do you feel the need to insult someone?


:rolleyes:
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07 Jul 2013 19:33

ElChingon wrote:Well I'll have to disagree with you on that, most forums I have experienced with have more IT type people as part of the mod/admin group for a reason and those are forums that have nothing to do with anything related to IT or computers.


Not on this forum.
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07 Jul 2013 19:51

Susan Westemeyer wrote:Not on this forum.


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07 Jul 2013 22:59

ElChingon wrote:Well I'll have to disagree with you on that, most forums I have experienced with have more IT type people as part of the mod/admin group for a reason and those are forums that have nothing to do with anything related to IT or computers.

Sounds wonderful.

So what has any of that to do with this forum?
You do realize it is a news site, with a forum as an add on and that Susan is a journalist?
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07 Jul 2013 23:12

Dr. Maserati wrote:Sounds wonderful.

So what has any of that to do with this forum?
You do realize it is a news site, with a forum as an add on and that Susan is a journalist?


Once again you read yet see what you want or feel should be written but is not, re-read and try again.
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09 Jul 2013 21:56

ElChingon wrote:Well I'll have to disagree with you on that, most forums I have experienced with have more IT type people as part of the mod/admin group for a reason and those are forums that have nothing to do with anything related to IT or computers.


Loath as I am to disagree with the verified #1 member, in my pretty broad forum experience going back to the end of last century, I can think of only two mods/admins who were also techies, and they were both site owners. Mods/admins usually have very little or nothing to do with the tech side of things, which is why it usually takes a day or more to get a crashed forum back up and running.
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14 Jul 2013 16:35

I thought the lightning never strikes twice...
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14 Jul 2013 16:46

CN servers can't handle a full retard Froome apparently.
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14 Jul 2013 17:05

At least it didn't take a CN staffer to state the obvious :p

Must of been the clinic as the race thread was dieing down.
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14 Jul 2013 17:22

So what are the actual numbers or percentages of additional traffic that caused the forum to break down? Is it really that extreme?
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14 Jul 2013 18:21

spalco wrote:So what are the actual numbers or percentages of additional traffic that caused the forum to break down? Is it really that extreme?


We'll never know, the forum is run by an unknown person(s) on an unknown server powered by an unknown source in an unknown location using an unknown OS with an unknown hardware platform. :eek:
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