Fearless Greg Lemond wrote: sniper wrote:
And you kept that Montgomery investment all for yourself?
Yep, because it is not interesting at all.
He gets accused from several sides of using and/or introducing EPO.
Turns out he invested in Montgomery, who in turn was responsible for taking Amgen public.
And you say it's not interesting?
If that's not interesting, then what *is* interesting?
You ever looked at Weisel's palmares from 1989 onwards, trained by Eddie B?
Lemond knew Weisel through Eddie B.
If none of that interests you, I can only assume you're not interested in the topic of Lemond and EPO in the first place. Which is fair enough, mind. You're under no obligation to discuss or even consider that angle.
I can make a timeline too with everyone involved with anyone and then say one and one is two, but, for a matter of fact, one and one is often not two, only if you WANT it to be two.
But if you think Sastre, Wiggins, Cancellara, and Ciochiolli doped, because 1+1 =2, you gotta tell me why you think Lemond is clean, i.e. why, in his case, 1+1 isn't 2. If you claim the exception, you carry the burden of evidence. C'est la vie.
Now, I haven't heard a single plausible piece of evidence yet as to why 1+1 wouldn't make 2 in the case of Lemond. Last argument I heard was "well, Lemond said he was appalled by PDM". Lol. That's not even a rumor of a rumor. That's from the horse's friggin mouth. What else was he going to say, when asked about it anno 2014? If that's evidence, we might as well declare the whole peloton anno 2016 clean. They're all appalled by doping.
Another argument I heard was, "well, Phil Andersen said Lemond was clean". Which is funny at best. Give me one reason why Phil "missed test" Andersen would say anything negative about Lemond.
(on a side, did you know about Phil's missed test as well? If so, why not post it?)
So. Any arguments left why Lemond would be different from all other GT contenders? Never tested positive, springs to mind. But I bet there is more, and I'd be eager to discuss it. Until that time I see no reason to treat Lemond any differently from other GT winners.
For instance, do you think Esosfina got doped by Vanmol? He was on the same team.
Whether Esafosfina doped, I don't know. It's pretty inconsequential to the case of Lemond.
Esafosfina wasn't very sure about Lemond, you may remember.
And Esafosfina wasn't getting the three course meal. The top dogs were.
On the topic of Esafosfina, he's been pretty open on this board and I respect him for that, big time.
I also understand why he's hesitant to return here.
It's not pretty what happens to whistleblowers.
And I definitely wouldn't want to be in the shoes of the guy who blows the whistle on Lemond.