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24 Oct 2015 17:24

Ariadne wrote:
Slaav wrote:
postmanhat wrote:
TShame wrote:eventually, it will get posted on youtube.

I heard england wants to organize a six day for next year.


Even earlier :)

"After a 35 year absence, six-day racing returns to it's birthplace, London!"

Live on Eurosport 18-23rd October so overlaps a day with the European Champs. Might not have coverage of the first day


I went on Monday evening :)
Quite enjoyed it but not a great attendance despite some freebie tickets being given out.....


I went on Monday and Friday. Monday was a slow start in attendance and ambience, by Friday the place was pretty full and a great atmosphere


Yes I went last night too. There were far more there than it appeared on Eurosport for the other nights. The atmosphere was really good but didn't quite have the feel of a continental six day, or the original Skol 6, but maybe the big track and being more open stole some of that. The sound was good but the DJ will have to practice more how to combine it with the actual racing.

The really big disappointment to me was the judging and the screens. The judging was so poor that they even placed Latham/Wood in 2nd place in the same lap as Keisse/Hoecke and Ketele/de Pauw at the end. They were actually a lap down on these two. Latham/Wood went into the final chase in the lead by virtue of being the first to 200 when gaining a lap in the 500TT. During the chase all the laps Latham/Wood gained were neutralised on the track by the other two (and a few others) with Ketele/Pauw and Keisse/Hoecke reaching 200 in the closing laps. The judges completely missed awarding those bonus laps and the crowd was completely unaware because the screens were only updating points and not laps. Needs to be sorted out for future. No good having great music and lights if you get the result wrong.
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25 Oct 2015 12:09

Farcanal wrote:
Ariadne wrote:
Slaav wrote:
postmanhat wrote:
TShame wrote:eventually, it will get posted on youtube.

I heard england wants to organize a six day for next year.


Even earlier :)

"After a 35 year absence, six-day racing returns to it's birthplace, London!"

Live on Eurosport 18-23rd October so overlaps a day with the European Champs. Might not have coverage of the first day


I went on Monday evening :)
Quite enjoyed it but not a great attendance despite some freebie tickets being given out.....


I went on Monday and Friday. Monday was a slow start in attendance and ambience, by Friday the place was pretty full and a great atmosphere


Yes I went last night too. There were far more there than it appeared on Eurosport for the other nights. The atmosphere was really good but didn't quite have the feel of a continental six day, or the original Skol 6, but maybe the big track and being more open stole some of that. The sound was good but the DJ will have to practice more how to combine it with the actual racing.

The really big disappointment to me was the judging and the screens. The judging was so poor that they even placed Latham/Wood in 2nd place in the same lap as Keisse/Hoecke and Ketele/de Pauw at the end. They were actually a lap down on these two. Latham/Wood went into the final chase in the lead by virtue of being the first to 200 when gaining a lap in the 500TT. During the chase all the laps Latham/Wood gained were neutralised on the track by the other two (and a few others) with Ketele/Pauw and Keisse/Hoecke reaching 200 in the closing laps. The judges completely missed awarding those bonus laps and the crowd was completely unaware because the screens were only updating points and not laps. Needs to be sorted out for future. No good having great music and lights if you get the result wrong.

Good point about the judging/screens, they were less than helpful. The beef I had was the sound, it may have been because I was sitting at the trackside and the acoustics were a problem, but it was difficult to hear the commentators and I couldn't hear the interviews at all (I don't think I could have done even if the DJ wasn't playing music while people were talking).
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26 Oct 2015 12:45

I went on Monday evening :)
Quite enjoyed it but not a great attendance despite some freebie tickets being given out.....[/quote]

I went on Monday and Friday. Monday was a slow start in attendance and ambience, by Friday the place was pretty full and a great atmosphere[/quote]

Yes I went last night too. There were far more there than it appeared on Eurosport for the other nights. The atmosphere was really good but didn't quite have the feel of a continental six day, or the original Skol 6, but maybe the big track and being more open stole some of that. The sound was good but the DJ will have to practice more how to combine it with the actual racing.

The really big disappointment to me was the judging and the screens. The judging was so poor that they even placed Latham/Wood in 2nd place in the same lap as Keisse/Hoecke and Ketele/de Pauw at the end. They were actually a lap down on these two. Latham/Wood went into the final chase in the lead by virtue of being the first to 200 when gaining a lap in the 500TT. During the chase all the laps Latham/Wood gained were neutralised on the track by the other two (and a few others) with Ketele/Pauw and Keisse/Hoecke reaching 200 in the closing laps. The judges completely missed awarding those bonus laps and the crowd was completely unaware because the screens were only updating points and not laps. Needs to be sorted out for future. No good having great music and lights if you get the result wrong.[/quote]
Good point about the judging/screens, they were less than helpful. The beef I had was the sound, it may have been because I was sitting at the trackside and the acoustics were a problem, but it was difficult to hear the commentators and I couldn't hear the interviews at all (I don't think I could have done even if the DJ wasn't playing music while people were talking).[/quote]

I agree the acoustics were not good but I don't think that's down to the organisers. The building's shape will have the effect of dissipating sound which will decrease clarity. Short of installing a false ceiling I don't think that could be improved. The whole thing had the feel of people working and trying very hard to make it the best six day ever but missing some vital points. I still think the basic venue is not right. The whole charm of a traditional six is the intimate atmosphere and the 200m tracks allow that (as well as making the racing faster because the laps are easier/quicker to obtain). I notice that Day 6 is not available on demand on Eurosport when all the other nights were. I suspect the organisers didn't want too many people noticing the incorrect result? I guess they think it would make them very unpopular with there target audience to demote the British pair now.
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26 Oct 2015 21:57

Farcanal wrote:
Ariadne wrote:
Slaav wrote:
postmanhat wrote:
TShame wrote:eventually, it will get posted on youtube.

I heard england wants to organize a six day for next year.


Even earlier :)

"After a 35 year absence, six-day racing returns to it's birthplace, London!"

Live on Eurosport 18-23rd October so overlaps a day with the European Champs. Might not have coverage of the first day


I went on Monday evening :)
Quite enjoyed it but not a great attendance despite some freebie tickets being given out.....


I went on Monday and Friday. Monday was a slow start in attendance and ambience, by Friday the place was pretty full and a great atmosphere


Yes I went last night too. There were far more there than it appeared on Eurosport for the other nights. The atmosphere was really good but didn't quite have the feel of a continental six day, or the original Skol 6, but maybe the big track and being more open stole some of that. The sound was good but the DJ will have to practice more how to combine it with the actual racing.

The really big disappointment to me was the judging and the screens. The judging was so poor that they even placed Latham/Wood in 2nd place in the same lap as Keisse/Hoecke and Ketele/de Pauw at the end. They were actually a lap down on these two. Latham/Wood went into the final chase in the lead by virtue of being the first to 200 when gaining a lap in the 500TT. During the chase all the laps Latham/Wood gained were neutralised on the track by the other two (and a few others) with Ketele/Pauw and Keisse/Hoecke reaching 200 in the closing laps. The judges completely missed awarding those bonus laps and the crowd was completely unaware because the screens were only updating points and not laps. Needs to be sorted out for future. No good having great music and lights if you get the result wrong.

Regarding the portion I bolded in your post: There are no bonus laps awarded on
points in the final chase/madison of a Six Day, my friend. (see UCI rule 3.2.244)
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27 Oct 2015 16:41

Farcanal"]
Ariadne wrote:
Slaav wrote:
postmanhat wrote:
TShame wrote:eventually, it will get posted on youtube.

I heard england wants to organize a six day for next year.


Even earlier :)

"After a 35 year absence, six-day racing returns to it's birthplace, London!"

Live on Eurosport 18-23rd October so overlaps a day with the European Champs. Might not have coverage of the first day


I went on Monday evening :)
Quite enjoyed it but not a great attendance despite some freebie tickets being given out.....


I went on Monday and Friday. Monday was a slow start in attendance and ambience, by Friday the place was pretty full and a great atmosphere


Yes I went last night too. There were far more there than it appeared on Eurosport for the other nights. The atmosphere was really good but didn't quite have the feel of a continental six day, or the original Skol 6, but maybe the big track and being more open stole some of that. The sound was good but the DJ will have to practice more how to combine it with the actual racing.

The really big disappointment to me was the judging and the screens. The judging was so poor that they even placed Latham/Wood in 2nd place in the same lap as Keisse/Hoecke and Ketele/de Pauw at the end. They were actually a lap down on these two. Latham/Wood went into the final chase in the lead by virtue of being the first to 200 when gaining a lap in the 500TT. During the chase all the laps Latham/Wood gained were neutralised on the track by the other two (and a few others) with Ketele/Pauw and Keisse/Hoecke reaching 200 in the closing laps. The judges completely missed awarding those bonus laps and the crowd was completely unaware because the screens were only updating points and not laps. Needs to be sorted out for future. No good having great music and lights if you get the result wrong.[/quote]
Regarding the portion I bolded in your post: There are no bonus laps awarded on
points in the final chase/madison of a Six Day, my friend. (see UCI rule 3.2.244)[/quote]

That's very interesting and it certainly appears to be the rule, my friend. But in that case every six day I've attended, including Ghent and Rotterdam for several years, has been breaking the rules.
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22 Nov 2015 23:17

Serious question, given that most full time trackie professionals are Brits or Australians, and given that there can be good money in six day racing, why aren't the six day races overrun with riders from the only two countries where Olympic style track racing is a relatively big deal?
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29 Nov 2015 00:30

Maybe there are fewer that need to make a living from it like others do? Mediocre english-speaking cyclists like Bobridge, Howard, Sergent can get road contracts with good teams anyway so they are not hungry. They don't need to dedicate themselves to velodromes which is hard as sport and not a very comfortable living. Also there is skill involved, you have to be more than just a solid 4000m pursuit team cyclist.
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29 Nov 2015 09:33

Zinoviev Letter wrote:Serious question, given that most full time trackie professionals are Brits or Australians, and given that there can be good money in six day racing, why aren't the six day races overrun with riders from the only two countries where Olympic style track racing is a relatively big deal?

But aren't you incorrect. Are there any full time track pros any more? Don't all the good 6 day riders ride for road teams as well. Isn't the best Aussie since Danny Clark Mathew Gilmore who became Belgium?
They only country that seems to have a well paid (i.e. pro) program is GB due to lottery funding. The endurance Aussie track rider ride road for Budget Forklifts a conti team I think to make ends meet.
I would have thought Bobridge Dennis and even Wiggins are unlikely to be 6 day stars!
Is there really good money in 6 days? It appears to me and from what I have heard it a good bonus payday not enough to live on for the year?
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29 Nov 2015 21:00

timmers wrote:
Zinoviev Letter wrote:Serious question, given that most full time trackie professionals are Brits or Australians, and given that there can be good money in six day racing, why aren't the six day races overrun with riders from the only two countries where Olympic style track racing is a relatively big deal?

But aren't you incorrect. Are there any full time track pros any more? Don't all the good 6 day riders ride for road teams as well. Isn't the best Aussie since Danny Clark Mathew Gilmore who became Belgium?
They only country that seems to have a well paid (i.e. pro) program is GB due to lottery funding. The endurance Aussie track rider ride road for Budget Forklifts a conti team I think to make ends meet.
I would have thought Bobridge Dennis and even Wiggins are unlikely to be 6 day stars!
Is there really good money in 6 days? It appears to me and from what I have heard it a good bonus payday not enough to live on for the year?
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British and Australian trackies are, as I understand it, basically full time professional track riders, living off Olympic grants etc. Those of them who ride endurance events also normally have a road team, but, with a few exceptions, they are mostly riding for Conti teams like Team Wiggins or Budget Forklifts or An Post. They ride for those teams because they get a chance to try the road, learn it at a reasonably high level and see if they have a chance to go on to a potentially more lucrative road career, and those teams will allow them to be track riders first and road riders very much second. They don't ride for those teams because there's any significant amount of money in it, because at that level there certainly isn't. Their core money is in the state funding.

What I meant by "good money" in the six day context was precisely that it's a very nice bonus for someone who is already making a reasonable living as a full time trackie. Not that they pay anything like enough for someone to rely on them for a living.

I suppose my question could be better phrased: "Why aren't six day races considered an obvious way to make a few extra quid, for say a lottery funded British trackie?" I realise that there are skills and intricacies to six day races that ciranda's example of some random team pursuiter won't start out with a grasp of, but there will obviously also be a lot of transferable elements.

Ciranda's suggestion that the issue may be precisely that the Brit and Australian Olympic programme trackies are already comfortable enough not to need to seems possible.
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30 Nov 2015 00:15

I guess It comes down to what you think "well paid" is but I understand that the Australian set up has changed significantly from days gone by. Which is why they have to ride for conti teams on low money. Of the endurance team for the next World Cup i think only Glenn O'Shea has ridden six days but he was wanting to turn pro with Cannondale but mssed out so is back in Aussie riding for Budget on road and aiming at Rio on the track. Hepburn is with Orica/Greenedge and Bobridge is going to Trek next year. Luke Davison and Mitchell Mulhern look like they are with Budget again. With the way Track World Cups are now held in northern winter it is very difficult to do 6 days and World Cups with the travel requirements/costs. I imagine that a guaranteed Aus$60-70k on the track programme is something that you can't turn down for some riders. But is that well paid for a two year contract and no guarantee of riding in Rio?
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10 Feb 2016 16:03

Just jumping in here to say that Rasmussen and Mørkøv - pair no. 7 - won the Copenhagen Six Days.
Jesper Mørkøv that is.
Aka The Ginger One.
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10 Dec 2016 20:19

Going into the final 2 days at Rotterdam, we have a fairly open field at the top end. I expect real action tonight, but lets get rid of the white part of the track ffs.,
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