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21 Sep 2014 15:17

Bumeington wrote:............. Voigt wasn't even wearing a proper aero helmet


I'm sure Trek figured which was the best helmet for Voigt in terms of both aerodynamics and comfort. Very few riders use the elongated aero helmet these days.
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21 Sep 2014 21:22

avanti wrote:I'm sure Trek figured which was the best helmet for Voigt in terms of both aerodynamics and comfort. Very few riders use the elongated aero helmet these days.


Helmets are pretty individual wrt optimising aerodynamics. Some "stubby" units work well for some, while other more "traditional" tailed aero helmets work well on others.
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24 Sep 2014 16:29

I asked Vaughters on twitter what he thought someone like Martin could do. He said 54-55 maybe.

What do people think is possible?
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25 Sep 2014 12:54

martin? definitely less than wiggo. wiggo at this point can already do almost 54 i'd say. but he wants to go for rominger's best time and i think he will do next year around 55.5 km . superman boardman is untouchable imo
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26 Sep 2014 00:06

jens_attacks wrote:martin? definitely less than wiggo. wiggo at this point can already do almost 54 i'd say. but he wants to go for rominger's best time and i think he will do next year around 55.5 km . superman boardman is untouchable imo


What is this based on? Martin is thought by many to be the best flat road TTer in racing today.
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26 Sep 2014 09:04

Sosenka announced that he will go for record in spring 2015. He would like to make 53 km.
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26 Sep 2014 15:52

richwagmn wrote:What is this based on? Martin is thought by many to be the best flat road TTer in racing today.


ehmm, the hour record is taking place on track. big difference. much more experience for wiggo and at times he beat martin even at his best.see 2012 ollympics where he put apocalyptic wattage. probably with same wattage and good preparation for track, he will beat rominger one. we'll see

sosenka should hurry.
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26 Sep 2014 22:51

jens_attacks wrote:ehmm, the hour record is taking place on track. big difference. much more experience for wiggo and at times he beat martin even at his best.see 2012 ollympics where he put apocalyptic wattage. probably with same wattage and good preparation for track, he will beat rominger one. we'll see

sosenka should hurry.


Fair points. Regardless, it'll be fun to see it contested next year.
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27 Sep 2014 03:53

boardhanger wrote:Does he possess or another in the current peleton capabale of beating Boardmans 56.375kph ??


I would not be surprised to see Wiggins beat Boardman's record.
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27 Sep 2014 07:25

how many watts does he need? if over 500, he can't do it.
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27 Sep 2014 09:04

jens_attacks wrote:how many watts does he need? if over 500, he can't do it.


Depending on the track and environmental conditions, he'll need something like 2,200W/m^2 to 2,440W/m^2 for tracks below 500m altitude.

At higher altitude that drops, e.g. at 2,000m he'd need ~ 1,890W/m^2 - 1,950W/m^2.

All assumes high quality track, no wind.

W/m^2 = power / CdA
CdA = coefficient of drag x frontal area
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27 Sep 2014 15:29

The endurance riders at my track say a longer velodrome is better than a short one. Are there any indoor velodromes longer than 250 m?
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27 Sep 2014 15:30

Hope he picks somewhere in the UK to do it - Manchester or London. I'd definitely try and go and see it.
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27 Sep 2014 15:43

avanti wrote:The endurance riders at my track say a longer velodrome is better than a short one. Are there any indoor velodromes longer than 250 m?

The recent World Juniors were held on an
indoor 333 Keirin track in Seoul and of course
the very fast Moscow track is 333 as well.
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27 Sep 2014 21:34

TheSpud wrote:Hope he picks somewhere in the UK to do it - Manchester or London. I'd definitely try and go and see it.


Choice of venue is a balance between wanting to set the greatest distance, and making the greatest amount of money.
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Hour Record database

29 Sep 2014 02:51

From UCI marks, to human-powered streamlined recumbent marks, I've tried to post as many One Hour marks that I can in this database here. They are searchable by Best performance for each rider. I welcome help in corrections to these marks, and additions. I am a past records committee member of the IHPVA International Human Powered Vehicle Association. I attend and race at many human powered events.
http://www.recumbents.com/wisil/fastest_list.asp

Chris Boardman's Superman record has now been bettered twice (the first time in 2012 with a 56.168 km effort) by a Frenchman, Aurelien Bonneateau on a handmade carbon fiber recumbent with a very laid-back seat, and two 700c disk wheels, an elliptical chaining and very short cranks (125 mm) which kept the circle swept out by his legs smaller and hence his frontal area smaller. His bike did not have a streamlined enclosure. His latest mark is 56.696 km July 16, 2014 at the Velodrome du Lac in Bordeaux, France. Just 11 days after this he went 87.225 km in one-hour in a streamlined recumbent built by IUT Annecy University students. In a two-day schedule reminiscent of Graeme Obree, Bonneteau had also ridden a hard One-hour the day before doing 85.3 km. This was on the Dekra Test oval in Germany, an outdoor 5.8 km long oval. Aurelien was one time on the French national team, but left to pursue recumbent racing. He is one of the strongest riders in our sport, having gone 124.91 kph top speed at the World Human Powered Speed Challenge held near Battle Mountain, Nevada, USA His records are all French national records.

On a "stock" recumbent I've done 45.2 km for one hour, and with a streamlined recumbent, I've done 61 km for one hour (needless to say making me feel like Superman to have gone faster than any UCI mark)
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29 Sep 2014 06:51

upright mike wrote:Chris Boardman's Superman record has now been bettered twice (the first time in 2012 with a 56.168 km effort) by a Frenchman, Aurelien Bonneateau on a handmade carbon fiber recumbent with a very laid-back seat,


Boardman's record was 56.375km
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29 Sep 2014 06:54

For anyone interested, I've done part I of a two part analysis of the impact of altitude on the hour.
http://alex-cycle.blogspot.com.au/2014/09/wm2-altitude-and-hour-record.html

This is the physics impact of altitude.

Next I'll overlay on that the physiological impact of altitude.
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26 Dec 2014 12:25

He's rumoured to be using the Palma Arena so no altitude there really, but it is a short drive from his holiday place and friends. Interesting he says his body doesn't cope well above 1,600m and wouldn't offer his physiology any advantage.
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26 Dec 2014 23:43

samhocking wrote:He's rumoured to be using the Palma Arena so no altitude there really, but it is a short drive from his holiday place and friends. Interesting he says his body doesn't cope well above 1,600m and wouldn't offer his physiology any advantage.


Issue is whether one can gain a speed advantage, not a physiological one.

For most the physics gains outweigh the physiological losses.
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