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07 Apr 2012 07:17

Pendleton is obviously not going to win in London.

The key in so much female sport is to try and convert your body shape in to that of a man, and she simply hasn't even tried to keep up in the arms race. The podium was hilarious - you could get 2 Pendleton's to either of those others.

I commend her use of skill and talent over the other 2, but I suspect we've now reached the end of the time when you can be that much smaller, and that much less power, than the other 'girls' and expect to make up for it some other way.
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07 Apr 2012 10:00

Chris Hoy clearly can't be selected now - looking forward to seeing how that goes down when the media catches on in 2 months time.

Bad investment by Kellogs and P&G, backing a loser.
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07 Apr 2012 10:04

Come on Kenny! Hope you stuff Bauge and get the jersey awarded properly this time.
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07 Apr 2012 10:13

durhamwasp wrote:Come on Kenny! Hope you stuff Bauge and get the jersey awarded properly this time.


Bauge looks utterly untouchable. The backdated ban will be one of the best France has ever dished out.
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07 Apr 2012 10:28

Trott - sensational!
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07 Apr 2012 12:27

Fantastic points race. Cam Meyer is pure class. Great silver for Swifty too.
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07 Apr 2012 12:28

These non TT races are a bloody farce. Meyer takes 1/3 of a lap on Swifts group but gets a lap because he catches the laughing group.


Really is laughable the IP has been removed and replaced by an omnium that gets decided by this sort of lottery race.
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07 Apr 2012 12:52

Waterloo Sunrise wrote:These non TT races are a bloody farce. Meyer takes 1/3 of a lap on Swifts group but gets a lap because he catches the laughing group.


nonsense. i'm sure i heard the commentators say it was being driven by De Ketele, the race leader at that point. Meyer put a lap in them, fair and square.
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07 Apr 2012 12:54

delbified wrote:nonsense. i'm sure i heard the commentators say it was being driven by De Ketele, the race leader at that point. Meyer put a lap in them, fair and square.


It was indeed.
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07 Apr 2012 13:04

[quote="Waterloo Sunrise"]Pendleton is obviously not going to win in London.



I commend her use of skill and talent over the other 2, but I suspect we've now reached the end of the time when you can be that much smaller, and that much less power, than the other 'girls' and expect to make up for it some other way.[/QUOTE


Dont Mention that to Laura Trott... Another Minature Pocket Rocket.
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07 Apr 2012 13:04

Waterloo Sunrise wrote:Chris Hoy clearly can't be selected now - looking forward to seeing how that goes down when the media catches on in 2 months time.

Bad investment by Kellogs and P&G, backing a loser.


"when the media catch on...." hilarious. I have not seen him at the Tour in the yellow jersey either. Why wasn't Cav there, this was a sprint ? This cycling it is a weird game. Copenhagen and the London World Cup were the highwater marks. Either the other nations learned nothing and will play London as stupidly as they played into team GB's hand in Copenhagen or they will see what a variety of other pro teams are doing in every flattish race this year and when Cav is under pressure, cash in a good few of their chips because those very same chips become worthless with under 20km to go. Back to the track - Brailsford will be looking. Men's TP - on the day. Women's TP in the gold spot, GB's to throw away. Women's Omnium - looking like the best individual chance of Gold. Men's short distance, nobody looks like they will touch Bauge so I will get slated if I go with Hoy "Not manager enough. Stuck with his favourites, should have given the youngsters a chance" so he will select Kenny, who deserves the spot. "Well our best got beaten by the rest of the World's best". Varnish has not closed up on Pendleton enough despite a cold. Waterloo, I go with you regarding Pendleton. Men's Keirin - maybe a sop to Hoy. After all it is always something of a lottery - put the guy with experience in the hot seat. Bauge has it to lose, but Hoy may well come good. Team sprints, both GB teams need to find something more. On the road, Cav - as above. Men's TT, Brad is in the mix - depends who comes out of the Tour in what shape. Women's RR, - looks like Armitstead will need a new scapegoat. Winning the un-ranked Ghent Wevlegem while everybody else was at a World Cup goes well with the UK media, but Flanders indicated her excuses trail her performances by about 6 months. TT Pooley - they could not have designed a worse course for her if they had the pick of sites around the World and a cunning plan of doing exactly that. Against that backdrop it is not surprising her performance is down against the likely top two - Armstrong and Arndt - they rode away from her on the hills at Flanders. Team GB seem to have done pretty well in demotivating both Cooke and Pooley.

I don't think it is team GB becoming rubbish. It is the rest upping their game, indeed for the GB men on the road, things have improved so that is progress. Progress everywhere apart from on the road for the women. There, team GB have turned wine into water in what must have been a deliberate fashion. No team SKY for women. That was no accident. Back to the press again. Management got away with it, because they could.
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07 Apr 2012 13:05

De Ketele was in the group, but it was only 2 riders larger than the group with Swift, and contained less than half the field.

The points race scoring system inherantly leads itself to perverse results. It is what it is, but I don't like it. I wouldn't accept a voting system where votes for 3rd/4th/5th parties affect the result between 1st and 2nd.
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07 Apr 2012 13:07

3wheeler wrote:
Waterloo Sunrise wrote:Pendleton is obviously not going to win in London.



I commend her use of skill and talent over the other 2, but I suspect we've now reached the end of the time when you can be that much smaller, and that much less power, than the other 'girls' and expect to make up for it some other way.[/QUOTE


Dont Mention that to Laura Trott... Another Minature Pocket Rocket.


Fortunately sprinting is not pursuiting.
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07 Apr 2012 13:08

delbified wrote:nonsense. i'm sure i heard the commentators say it was being driven by De Ketele, the race leader at that point. Meyer put a lap in them, fair and square.


And he did it against all odds, when nobody thought it possible anymore. 16 laps off the front, basically alone (the Kiwi couldn't add much in his turns) - respect for that.
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07 Apr 2012 13:15

Great Tactic Kenny... What would of Happened without the DQ ... One to Ponder.. Bauge was out of it. Afterwards... Its the One Tactic that could be used again now its Been seen to Work..
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07 Apr 2012 13:16

Amazing points race. Edge of the seat stuff.

Swift actually road the perfect race but still got done over. Meyer is one hell of a rider.
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07 Apr 2012 14:00

Another tough but technically correct call on Kenny in Sprint final .... when watching, one couldn't help thinking he might be in strife for that move going on the commissaire's formline throughout the meet. Chapeau on a brave move though.

Will GBR selectors have the balls to make the call on Hoy for the sprint spot .... the corporate money boys may be reaching for the whisky bottle or the revolver !! Going into London, it looks like Bauge goes in favourite over the Brit selection. Bronze looks a level below where I'll favour a German ahead of Perkins who probably just isn't quite the very top both in speed or smarts.

Congratulations to Trott in the Women's Omnium & she justifiably goes in as a narrow favourite. 2 seconds from 2 intl Omnium starts speaks volumes for Edmondson's potential - just needs some additional experience & savvy in mass races. Only two other medal chances are Hammer & Whitten, neither of whom can be discounted for the win but may be battling for the bronze behind the young upstarts.

Kierens will always remain a lottery but Meares must go in as favourite. Looking across the 3 linked sprint events" - Meares does appear the strongest & fastest but like anyone, she's not impregnable. Pendleton really did have to pull out a "lifeline" out of somewhere in the individual event but was sub par in both team sprint & kieren. She has had a great career & a period when she was completely dominant. Whilst still formidable & major factor, I'm not seeing a triple gold last hurrah in London.

Scarily formidable ride by Meyer in the Points .... feel a little sorry for Gate the Kiwi who just missed a medal after teaming up with Meyer. The main pack they caught WAS more that a couple of riders bigger than the Swift/Belgian group.
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07 Apr 2012 14:10

Medal table (Olympic events) after night 4
GBR 4G 1S 1B Total 6
AUS 3G 4S 1B Total 8
GER 1G 1B Total 2
FRA 1G 1S Total 2
CAN 1S 1B Total 2
NZL 2B Total 2
LTU 1S Total 1
RUS 1S Total 1
DEN 1B Total 1
CHN 1B Total 1
USA 1B Total 1

Men's Kieren only Oly event to be decided
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07 Apr 2012 14:17

This is the first track event I ever watched on TV. I was actually very excited for the sprint final, and Kenny's tactic in the second round was amazing. It was so disappointing to see him DQed, it was obvious that the Frenchman was cooked from doing those 3 laps so fast, he could barely walk, Kenny would have won the 3rd round for sure.

For me as a novice, it seems almost impossible to stay under the red line when sprinting all out. It looks like the rider above has a big advantage. What's more, the comm's decisions seemed a bit arbitrary, especially in the women's sprint final.
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07 Apr 2012 14:49

O'Shea should ride the Omnium at the Olympics, and Meyer the Team Pursuit, that could be the difference Australia needs.

As for whoever said that the Australian Team Pursuit squad was Bobridge and three others, did you notice the individual pursuit results? They seem to tell a different story.

Meyer will add a bit of strength that O'Shea doesn't have, it's just a matter of whether that is more important, or the starting speed that a O'Shea possibly brings.
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