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Hour Record Rules Revisted/Revised

From the kilo to the hour record, if it's on the velodrome it goes in here

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01 Mar 2015 16:40

TShame wrote:.............
High humidity (90 -99) is not faster................... .


However humid air is less dense than dry air for a given temperature.
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02 Mar 2015 13:06

Let's avoid the ridiculous speculation of one rider in a frigid velodrome, one riding on a velodrome with high winds, and one in a velodrome/sauna.

Contain the discussion to past attempts and future ones. Discuss wattage, VO2, training methods, pace, venue, and altitude. I will even discuss how far Fosterman can go in an hour with a 60 x 11 gear if we have to.

Here's what I'll be riding.


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02 Mar 2015 14:53

TShame wrote:Contain the discussion to past attempts and future ones. Discuss wattage, VO2, training methods, pace, venue, and altitude.


"Yes sir" :rolleyes:
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02 Mar 2015 15:00

TShame wrote:Here's what I'll be riding.


This is heaps cooler. :D Who needs a skin suit?

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02 Mar 2015 21:57

Here is something to consider. I haven't studied this fully yet. But it shows about 1.8 km better for men and 1.5 for women. These altitude venues were outdoors. So, an indoor velodrome would yield a higher reward. As was stated before, there are gains from altitude and their are losses for the rider. Some don't perform well at altitude, or perhaps are not prepared for an attempt at altitude.

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02 Mar 2015 22:23

TShame wrote:Contain the discussion to past attempts and future ones. Discuss wattage, VO2, training methods, pace, venue, and altitude


This thread is meant to be about the rules and regulations of the event. There's already another thread for discussing hour record attempts:

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=24672
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02 Mar 2015 22:24

UncleChainwhip wrote:Thx Al, for info and quick reply. Any benefit in rolling resistance with wet road? This sounds like an 'old wives tale".

Thx, Le Breton, for your comments. I respect your input/experience as I feel you are even older than I am. 56yr


You are right, looking back I now know for sure I was young when I was 56 :D

as it was the last year of my life in which I managed to reach/keep my optimal heart rate over 7 passes in the Dolomites during as many hours of racing :)
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03 Mar 2015 12:43

How come there are hour trolls here but no hour groupies?

On a positive note, here's a shot of Molly's hour.

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Re: Hour Record Rules Revisted/Revised

14 Mar 2015 17:18

Gustav Larsson set a distance of 50.016 kilometers in his World Hour Record attempt

When was this even annouced?
The article says he fell short. Fell short? It wasn't even close unless his first 20 minutes were at 53. I haven't seen his attempt schedule yet. I'm disappointed we didn't have notice here. But, as I would have predicted, he fell painfully short. It sounds like it was poorly planned. At least this effort might teach him where he needs to be in order to go 3 kilometers faster/further. Understanding his current wattage will help him see where it needs to be at to break the record. But still, Larsson? I wouldn't have expected that.
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14 Mar 2015 17:56

Alex Dowsett is hoping to make his attempt at the UCI Hour Record in late April after his initial plans were postponed by a training crash that resulted in a broken collarbone. He said his goal is 52.6 or 17.1 per lap. He's trying not to overpace. Sounds really tight. Could be fun to watch.

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Re: Hour Record Rules Revisted/Revised

15 Mar 2015 15:03

Shame wrote:................. I'm disappointed we didn't have notice here. ...................


It waas - http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/larsson-tackling-world-hour-record-eight-months-after-third-spinal-fracture. I agree it was not prominently displayed.

After that notice I followed the attempt on twitter at the Revolution website.
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Re: Hour Record Rules Revisted/Revised

17 Mar 2015 11:36

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Haven't seen any times at all. I heard he planned to start at 52.4 and then finish faster. He said he knew he didn't have it from the start. But, it seems hard to believe that he could have tested at 53, then ran only 50 on race day. Kudos for not bailing out at the halfway point. This is the second attempt that UCI said they would show but didn't. Although, this effort sounds like it was thrown together last minute.
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Re: Hour Record Rules Revisted/Revised

17 Mar 2015 17:14

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Finally, some validation to my comments. I found an article that said that Gustav was about a kilometer down at the half-way point. From his split times, it is obvious he was failing fast, maybe in the first ten minutes. A great workout none-the-less.
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Re: Hour Record Rules Revisted/Revised

24 Mar 2015 12:48

Recently read Rohan's effort was at 500m altitude. This was calculated as a .4 to .5 additional distance. So, his effort was calculated at 52 k at sea level.

These high levels are a feat. I read of a master's attempt, which finished just over 48 k. (National record, but possibly not UCI certified). 48 seems to be all of the masters from 30-59. (with one noticeable result excluded for obvious reasons- here unstated).

While I won't expand on my personal efforts in this thread, I did my first hour effort in several years (mainly because I'm more of a kilo and pursuit rider). I purposely geared high and kept my efforts 1 km below my current level. I simply worked on pacing and made it a training effort. Finished strong. Still very sore today. Thanks for the motivation everyone. #thehourishell
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Re: Hour Record Rules Revisted/Revised

25 Mar 2015 05:12

Shame wrote:These high levels are a feat. I read of a master's attempt, which finished just over 48 k. (National record, but possibly not UCI certified). 48 seems to be all of the masters from 30-59.

I've coached three of the current records.
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Re: Hour Record Rules Revisted/Revised

26 Mar 2015 17:26

Polish rider attempt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KHUmrjaVKCk

Australian Masters attempt

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2015/02/putting-the-hour-record-in-perspective-how-does-an-amateur-compare/

I've coached three of the current records.


What specific training did they do in preparation? (even though I'm built for 1-3 K.)
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Re: Hour Record Rules Revisted/Revised

26 Mar 2015 23:48

What specific training did they do in preparation? (even though I'm built for 1-3 K.)


It was different for each, but in terms of the most specific work - that involved many sessions of longer threshold level efforts at the track, practising race like conditions. Pacing practice etc. Aerodynamics refinement as well. Lot of time spent on that. There are many subtleties involved with improving performance of long track efforts and these vary by individual.

As for training in general, the conditioning work is no different than that to prepare an individual for a longer ITT. With individualisation built into their training of course. But lots of track prep is very important to maximise individual potential.
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Re: Hour Record Rules Revisted/Revised

31 Mar 2015 12:13

Here comes Dowsett again on May 2.

I hope Cancellara thinks about his opportunity. If you can't road race, train for the track.
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Re: Hour Record Rules Revisted/Revised

15 Apr 2015 13:01

Dowsett May 2

Wiggins June 7

Hooray!
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Re: Hour Record Rules Revisted/Revised

16 Apr 2015 14:05

If Alex beats Rohan's record I think there
will be a fair amount of interest in how
fast Sir Brad rides the 10 mile TT on the
fast V718 course on May 16 because the
current British 10 record is also Alex's.

Rightly or wrongly, many (including me :) )
will try to make some extrapolation from
their respective 10 mile times to what Sir
Brad might achieve in his Hour.
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