Giuseppe Magnetico wrote:blutto wrote:....kinda funny twist in the Kittel saga, you know about the guy who is the poster boy for the technology that will save the bike industry ( this year )....and making a courageous stand against the forces of ignorance and so on and so for forth.....
...seems our dauntless saintly hero has dumped the disc brakes when he hit the mountains....you know the place where grams count.....and oddly enough where discs, we are told, are supposed to give their bestest advantages....
....so the story so far....saint uses the latest holy water where it doesn't have an advantage and dumps them where they theoretically should...it could just be me but this kinda stinks to high heaven don't it....does anyone else smell marketing scam ( I mean think about it, to get on that disc train to the glorious future you literally have to replace your entire bike....gosh the industry must just be salivating at the prospects....ooooh, we love the smell of profits in the morning, it smells like victory...)
Cheers
Cute story. However, no amount of waxing poetic can make up for lack of experience on the subject because
you really only hear "marketing scam" from people with none. Can you imagine, an industry is seeking profit?!?.......Crazy, I know! It may be a stretch but I think you might be exempt from the death grip of the marketing department's disc brake crusade. Whew, what a relief! Right?
....hmmm.....marketing scam eh ( and experience with same )....well folks I have a bit of a story for youse today ( it starts with a few words about marketing and the bike business and then wanders off to deal with a weird play on marketing and the two folks in this post )....from a long ago thread...here is the first installment....and from the horse's mouth, GM, no less....
This is the world of marketing and advertising, it's all based on lying for your money sorry to say. There's a point in the product development process at any large company where the marketing dept. takes over with ultimate control over what and how something is presented to the general consumer. Could you imagine what the world would be like if advertising was left up to engineers?
....and here is #2....and guess who it is in the bolded bit...
The aerodynamic performance claims by manufacturers is probably the most dishonest topic that the bike industry is propagating on the general consumer, and doing it purely for sales, I know because I spent years in meetings with these same mfg's dreaming up lies about this stuff by using alterd, or even fake data.
....yep the self-same poster above who is fanning the flames for disc brakes....makes you kinda wonder don't it...
....anyway some fool got a bit peeved at something, maybe the cynicism, and proceeded to call out the person in the bolded bit....and below is his response, btw bolded bit dude was a mod at that time...
You're just mad because I called bs on your 23/25 set up is more aero at the beginning of this thread, and for some reason you think advertising and big business is full of truths, that's your malfunction, not mine. If my posts are that unreadable stop trying to make sense from them and responding. I've been in just about every facet of the bike industry for 20 years and I'm not making any of this up, if you can't handle what I have to say ignore me and stop responding to every single post of mine. And yes, I do volunteer to keep this forum clean from people like you, 2 years I've been here and never has anyone come after me like this, do it again and you won't be coming back here anytime soon.
....so like the young impetuous fool that I was I responded...( note I'm now mature beyond my years and this would never happen again )...
do it again and you won't be coming back here anytime soon.
...so let me get this straight...the lying that you were paid for is just part and parcel for the bike industry and we should get used to it and not get upset when someone such as yourself who not only invents the lies but calls the people who fell for them fools is rubbing it in our faces...
...and then you have the gall to threaten me with a ban because I call you on that...well frankly if CN, which placed you in a position to bully me this way and is OK with your behaviour, maybe it is a good idea to get banned from this place...
...or put another way...why don't you wade into The Clinic and start telling the anti-doping brigade that they are fools for actually hoping for a level playing field in cycling...as in, one free of lies...
...and by the way it wasn't the 23/25 mm thing I was responding to..it was the cynical commentator talking down his nose at all the marks he has hoodwinked in his career in the bike business...and who then sits as a moderator in a forum and dispenses justice from some supposed higher moral ground...I mean, do you actually know what cynical means, or does inclusion into the august ranks of the marketing fraternity wipe that from your memory banks and leaving you perfectly feckless when dealing with truth...
...so if you, using your esteemed position here at CN, want to punish me for calling you on what you have been and what you still are...well... bring it on, and if you do, shame on you, and if CN allows it to stand, then it will be shame on them as well...
Cheers
blutto
....so here is the response....and this was thrown in for embellishment : " I see you've racked up more infractions on this forum than most people combined", which is, uhhh, more than a small departure from the truth but hey once in "marketing", always in "marketing" eh...bottom line, he shut me up by banning me...
B-bye, see you in a month. Hopefully you've changed your attitude by then, I'm betting not, but I have to at least give you a chance.
P.S. I see you've racked up more infractions on this forum than most people combined, it will be no surprise to anyone that you've been banned
....and the official ban statement....
Blutto banned again for one month for attacking every single post I made. If he doesn't change his attitude when he gets back, he will be banned permanently
....if interested all the fun can be found below...and just for fun, we can score my attacking ?....
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=12202....so now our former mod is pedaling disc brakes, but this time he is being straight with us, like how cool is that ?....
Cheers
Disc didn't get road worthy until about 2007. What would you know about that though? 
