Felice Gimondi wrote:
Grip is not entirely up to tire choice, on my road bike I can block the wheels whenever I want, at what ever speed , on CX the brakes were simply not powerful enough.
You couldn't lock up CX canti brakes? How much do you weigh?
Not much experience in icy and snowy conditions I see:) That floating over does not require disc brakes and is not an argument for disc brakes in particular
It's not an argument for brakes at all, it's the rest of the course that does.
Btw, studded tires are not allowed in CX races, but if they were legal, riders would frequently use them and on snowy conditions they would go much faster than normal cx tires.
Sure, illegal for UCI racing. When was the last time anybody here raced a UCI sanctioned event with technical inspection? You're only going faster with studs if the majority of the course is ice, which is, well... never.
You talk about better brakes when the limiting factor is ground friction, the sudded tires example was to show you that point, alas you wouldn't listen to reason.
I listened, I gave you a reply, and you chose to strawman.
Modulation is interesting, as if you're able to analyse ground surface more accurate at +50 kph with disc brakes.
Brake modulation has nothing to do with analyzing ground surface at speed. You're really getting Twilight Zone here.
Felice Gimondi wrote:
"Everything else being equal the rider with the better brakes wins."
Not correct, if both disc brakes and rim brakes function beyond the forces of grip, disc brakes will not be the deciding factor. That's my point.
All you are accomplishing with that point is stating the obvious, that you can hit the deck on a slippery section limited by tire grip regardless of brakes. Sure, but there's clearly more to it. What about the 99% of the rest of the course? These slippery sections that will take down anybody on any kind of brake is such a small percentage of races per year, if at all for most amateurs or pros. Disc brakes allow you to brake later and adjust speed into a really bad section, the result is faster laps for 45min. Yeah of course all else being equal, the very reason you don't see a mixed field at the World Cup level anymore.
Rim brakes is also a variant of disc brake, where the disc is 700c
This is one of the original old wives' tales that people used to bring up when disc brakes were new to road almost 10 years ago. Can't believe you (a disc user?) brought it up. Cantis, V, center pull, side pull, rod actuated are all "variants" of rim brakes. Disc brakes are an entirely different 'system'. You said that you made the switch to disc for cross for more power. So why don't you elaborate on why you feel you have more stopping ability with with disc? It will totally contradict the 'rim is a disc theory', but whatever at this point.