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14 Jul 2017 01:35

froze wrote:
Great, now tell me what steel racing bike that some amatuer racer would want to use in a club race that is on display, in stock, and for sale at your LBS right now.


Mosaic RS-1
Breadwinner Lolo
Stoemper Taylör
All-City Mr. Pink
Cinelli Nemo & XCR
Bombtrack Tempest

See, race ready steel bikes exist outside your little microcosm of none. This is a sample of a few shops just in my neighborhood and I know I'm missing a bunch. Should the tour continue, or are we just about done here?
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14 Jul 2017 04:30

Giuseppe Magnetico wrote:
froze wrote:
Great, now tell me what steel racing bike that some amatuer racer would want to use in a club race that is on display, in stock, and for sale at your LBS right now.


Mosaic RS-1
Breadwinner Lolo
Stoemper Taylör
All-City Mr. Pink
Cinelli Nemo & XCR
Bombtrack Tempest

See, race ready steel bikes exist outside your little microcosm of none. This is a sample of a few shops just in my neighborhood and I know I'm missing a bunch. Should the tour continue, or are we just about done here?


Nah, keep it rolling......I'm enjoying the giggles :D
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14 Jul 2017 13:40

JackRabbitSlims wrote:
Giuseppe Magnetico wrote:
froze wrote:
Great, now tell me what steel racing bike that some amatuer racer would want to use in a club race that is on display, in stock, and for sale at your LBS right now.


Mosaic RS-1
Breadwinner Lolo
Stoemper Taylör
All-City Mr. Pink
Cinelli Nemo & XCR
Bombtrack Tempest

See, race ready steel bikes exist outside your little microcosm of none. This is a sample of a few shops just in my neighborhood and I know I'm missing a bunch. Should the tour continue, or are we just about done here?


Nah, keep it rolling......I'm enjoying the giggles :D


Wow, now what bike shops sell those? Come on, I said production bikes that are typically found in LBS's, this is the same BS you did with which is lighter crap. By the way, there must be some confusion, I'm located in America, the Mosaic is special order located in Canada; the second one is special order from the company directly and located in Ireland; the third, the Stoemper is special order custom made located in Oregon and sold in no stores as of yet, sort of like Rivendell; the All City Mr Pink does have dealers in the USA, so congrats you found one; the Cinelli's have less dealer in the US than the All City which surprised me since I've never seen an All City either in LBS's or on the street but not so with Cinelli...at least on the street anyways, most of Cinelli dealers on the west coast which I knew that would be the case, they have very few dealers anywhere else; and lastly the Bombtrack has no dealers in the USA just one mail order distributor in Iowa.

So again you're arguing over nothing, the bikes you listed are not readily available in the majority of stores across the USA, you just proved my point, thank you. The only exception is the All City which I can't visit all the dealers to find out if they carry the Mr Pink or is it a special order, but regardless finding a production steel road bike in stock at an LBS is going to be a challenge vs finding an aluminum or carbon fiber bikes.

So yeah, me too, I've been laughing my **** off with these very difficult to find bikes you seem to think indicates that vast majority of LBS's in the USA all carry a vast selection of production made in stock sized of steel racing bikes. My god that's hysterical.
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14 Jul 2017 14:36

Meh, not surprised really coming from someone who bases their findings about not being able to find steel road race bikes in places like Kerrville, TX or Port Orange, Florida. Pills man, don't forget to take those pills!
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14 Jul 2017 16:27

Giuseppe Magnetico wrote:Meh, not surprised really coming from someone who bases their findings about not being able to find steel road race bikes in places like Kerrville, TX or Port Orange, Florida. Pills man, don't forget to take those pills!


Not surprising that you can't list the stores that sell some of those bikes you mentioned, in fact most of them were in other countries and not sold in stores here anywhere, you have to order directly from them to get the bike to you, and they were custom built bikes...again you proved my point with most of those examples. Look man you're just arguing to argue, everyone here, if someone dared to comment on this rather stupid discussion, knows that stores carry mostly AL and CF road bikes and very little if any steel road bikes that are worthy of racing in road races with, not MTB's, not cross bikes, not gravel bikes, not a fixie, not a touring bike, but production, not custom made ROAD racing bikes, do you understand the distinction there? I fear not. Some of the stores may have a catalog to show a would be buyer and would have to special order them, but stocking various sizes of production made steel road bikes isn't commonplace, thus selection is very limited. Go online and look at the big online bike retailers here in the US sell very few if any steel road racing bikes.

Even this large online shop has no steel road racing bikes: https://www.competitivecyclist.com/road-bikes?fl=true

I could look up more but I've wasted enough time on this dribble moronic nonsense.

and that's all I'm going to say about this nonsense that has been completely unhelpful to anyone here, and I'm sure they're tired of the nonsense as well; like I said you like to argue just to argue so go ahead and argue, but from now on you're arguing with yourself. Have a nice time doing that.
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15 Jul 2017 01:38

froze wrote:Not surprising that you can't list the stores that sell some of those bikes you mentioned, in fact most of them were in other countries and not sold in stores here anywhere, you have to order directly from them to get the bike to you, and they were custom built bikes...again you proved my point with most of those examples.


SE Portland. Velo Cult, the Mosaic dealer is about a mile from my home. That shop alone has had everything on that short list on display and(or) in stock at some point except for the Cinellis. 1 of about 20 shops in this city.

Look man you're just arguing to argue, everyone here, if someone dared to comment on this rather stupid discussion, knows that stores carry mostly AL and CF road bikes and very little if any steel road bikes that are worthy of racing in road races with, not MTB's, not cross bikes, not gravel bikes, not a fixie, not a touring bike, but production, not custom made ROAD racing bikes, do you understand the distinction there? I fear not. Some of the stores may have a catalog to show a would be buyer and would have to special order them, but stocking various sizes of production made steel road bikes isn't commonplace, thus selection is very limited. Go online and look at the big online bike retailers here in the US sell very few if any steel road racing bikes.

Even this large online shop has no steel road racing bikes: https://www.competitivecyclist.com/road-bikes?fl=true

I could look up more but I've wasted enough time on this dribble moronic nonsense.

and that's all I'm going to say about this nonsense that has been completely unhelpful to anyone here, and I'm sure they're tired of the nonsense as well; like I said you like to argue just to argue so go ahead and argue, but from now on you're arguing with yourself. Have a nice time doing that.


Nice tantrum. Usually reserved for the 4 year old in the grocery store but whatever. So you can't find a steel road race bike in your 4 shop town or when you visit those real hotbeds of cycling like Kerrville, TX and Port Orange, Florida. I mean, eer, these were some of your prime examples and proceeded to bitch about that you can't find steel bikes anywhere. If you're in Santa Barbara and you want a steel road race frame you go to LA. It's not 1996 anymore so big brand stores don't sell what you're looking for. What a revelation!! Does this mean that most people can't find a decent rig at their preferred price point elsewhere? Hell no! But you seem to insist that since it's your experience that's just how it is and now we're all just relegated to bikesdirect.com. In your short existence here you've definitely proven that you're the master of the broad sweeping generalization. Not just here but in other threads too. Good luck with that approach, I'm sure you'll last long.
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Re: Steel is real(ly returning?)...

15 Jul 2017 03:48

kuoirad wrote:http://stories.worldsteel.org/innovation/steel-returns-to-professional-cycling/


The bike their talking about is the Volare, the frame and fork weighs 5.3 pounds, CF, AL, and TI are all lighter than that, however the components and wheels are so light that as a whole it meets the minimum weight requirement, which is great but for the average person buying a Volare and hanging 105 components and lower costing wheels will bring the bikes weight up to early 80's steel bike weights, so I doubt a club rider would want to spend that kind of money to get a steel frame down to UCI minimum weight limit...unless all they care about is getting a durable long lasting bike and weight of the bike is not an issue.

What's interesting when reading that article is that Reynolds doesn't make the tubing a unnamed company in the US makes and sends the tubes to Reynolds who then butts it.

I think at some point in the future metal of some nature will explode onto the racing scene, metals called high-entropy alloys, currently it's a new science with no products that have made it to market yet but the promise is good. Our current technology has only looked at a very small section of what alloys can do, once high-entropy alloys take off it will open such a huge section of different metals that the various types will dwarf what we currently have. I have a feeling I may be dead before some sort of high-entropy alloy is introduced into the cycling world, but some of you might be around and that could be an exciting time for the cycling industry.
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17 Jul 2017 03:32

Giuseppe Magnetico wrote:
froze wrote:
Giuseppe Magnetico wrote:There's more high end steel road to choose from today than ever before. Just because you can't go into every shop in Anytown USA to buy one doesn't validate the assertion that they're "not as available as they used to be."


"not as available as they use to be", how long ago are you going back to when you say "use to be"? 5 years ago? sure that's true, 20 years ago? not true whatsoever.


That's your quote there, froze.

For some reason you want to keep going around and around with this and keep beating a dead horse, you know as much as I do that the occasional shop that carries any steel bikes will have maybe one or two steel bikes on display at the most, but steel bike will not comprise of even 10% of the floor space reserved for bikes, unless you go to a store that sells Rivendell or Waterford only products, or only vintage bikes.


Because you can't make broad sweeping generalizations and assume they apply to everybody. I can go to a few different shops in my neighborhood, not city, neighborhood, and pick up a very raceable steel road bike. Not just this city, but the other two I've lived in for over the last few years. So you're not speaking for me, not in the least bit. How about I move to some hick town with only one bar and complain about the beer selection and that there's nowhere else to go drink. You're essentially doing the same thing here.


Now we know you can't read because you even quoted what I said: "not as available as they use to be", how long ago are you going back to when you say "use to be"? 5 years ago? sure that's true, 20 years ago? not true whatsoever.[/quote] Note I did not say steel road bikes cannot be found whatsoever, what I said was (I'm repeating this for the hard of understanding) "they're not as available as they use to be", did you catch that? No of course not, and why not? because for some reason you have decided to follow me around and try to get into fights with me, I haven't done anything to piss you off to start this silly elementary school kid reaction from you, you need to go back into your workshop and build wheels instead of building drama.
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17 Jul 2017 13:50

Every year around Tour time and Christmas for whatever reason the most abhorrent personalities bum rush this forum since it's inception almost a decade ago. It's like clockwork. So kudos to you sir for keeping that time-honored tradition alive!
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