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12 Jun 2019 09:34

Koronin wrote:
rick james wrote:
Koronin wrote:Froome NOT being given a ban he should have had.

I think someone who was given a ban the most disappointing for me is Sammy Sanchez at the end of his career.



ban for being found innocent...




Except he wasn't found innocent. They literally NEVER cleared him. Also his adjusted numbers are still HIGHER than Petachi's UNADJUSTED numbers.



I think you are struggling to understand what happened, Froome never got charged, it didn't go to a hearing, he had no case to answer.....how you can try and spin it so it seems was he was guilty because he never to went to a tribunal to fight a charge is beyond me, that is seriously deluded way of looking at things...how the hell can they find him innocent or guilty of a charge that never existed?


He got asked to explain and abnormal finding, he explained it, so no charges were brought on him
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12 Jun 2019 09:50

interesting way to interpret the things that happened.
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12 Jun 2019 10:24

I'm hesistant to contribute turning this into another Froome thread, but, regardless of whether any "interpretation" is correct or not, cycling fans are under no obligation to accept let alone be happy with any verdict by UCI. It's factually true that Froome right now is legally allowed to race, but Koronin or anyone else also has a right to disagree with that, ineffective as his disagreement may be.
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12 Jun 2019 11:31

But you can’t be found innocent without a charge, it never went that far
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12 Jun 2019 11:32

F_Cance wrote:interesting way to interpret the things that happened.

It’s all true what I said, anyone wanting to twist things differently has an agenda to stick to
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12 Jun 2019 11:35

You have an agenda too.
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12 Jun 2019 11:48

Yes, that of the innocent....I’ll happily admit that
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12 Jun 2019 11:50

Well if that’s a bad agenda well colour me embarrassed
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12 Jun 2019 11:51

lol
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12 Jun 2019 18:35

Ripper wrote:
Libertine Seguros wrote:What is this, the Mueller Report? Come on. Froome isn't Rui Costa. The conclusion was not that he was innocent. It was that they couldn't prove that the salbutamol hadn't got there by within-the-regs means, so they couldn't prove he was guilty.

LOL - this is awesome!

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13 Jun 2019 12:00

Not sure, but really disappointed to find out here that Cadel Evans doped.

Not so surprising: Flandis
Not at all surprising, disappointing or upset at: Wonderboy

Only the blind, clueless, deaf and dumb didn't believe he was doping. It's just not humanly possible what he did. Plus, pre-doping, his best tour finish was what, 34th? Then he "suddenly" rattles off 7 wins in a row, and no one thought he was doping? Lol.

Surprised they weren't suspended(even though we can all pretty much agree that they were doping):

Indurain/Nibali/Astana
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13 Jun 2019 14:38

Cobo
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13 Jun 2019 15:07

Yep.

Cobo and Contador for me.
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13 Jun 2019 15:54

86TDFWinner wrote:
Surprised they weren't suspended(even though we can all pretty much agree that they were doping):

Indurain/Nibali/Astana

Usually there needs to be a prequisite for a suspension, I don't know if there was any real "case" against Indurain in the 1990s except that he was fast and was affiliated with Conconi somehow.

I think that the Lance Armstrong suspension was a disappointment because it was mostly a huge waste of money and the future dopers learned only how to be more careful.

Perhaps one good thing it caused is that LA appears today to be a nicer dude, true or not.
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13 Jun 2019 16:10

topcat wrote:Cobo

Disappointing? Nah, was pretty obvious. Only surprise that it took 8 years.
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13 Jun 2019 16:20

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topcat wrote:Cobo

Disappointing? Nah, was pretty obvious. Only surprise that it took 8 years.

It's disappointing cause either the results should stand or the top 3 should be disqualified (in which case tgbm gets a gt win-lol).
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13 Jun 2019 17:33

it would be Cobo, but it's so long ago now that it feels like nothing. they cant steal my memories of watching Angliru and Pena Cabarga. it's also hilarious that the guy who inherits his win actually tested positive at another Vuelta, that he also won, but he got to keep it.
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13 Jun 2019 18:09

rick james wrote:But you can’t be found innocent without a charge, it never went that far


I guess there's not much chance of being found guilty if the authorities decline to press charges either though?
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13 Jun 2019 18:31

Nah man.

Evidence of presence is evidence of absence these days.
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13 Jun 2019 22:51

rick james wrote:
Koronin wrote:
rick james wrote:
Koronin wrote:Froome NOT being given a ban he should have had.

I think someone who was given a ban the most disappointing for me is Sammy Sanchez at the end of his career.



ban for being found innocent...




Except he wasn't found innocent. They literally NEVER cleared him. Also his adjusted numbers are still HIGHER than Petachi's UNADJUSTED numbers.



I think you are struggling to understand what happened, Froome never got charged, it didn't go to a hearing, he had no case to answer.....how you can try and spin it so it seems was he was guilty because he never to went to a tribunal to fight a charge is beyond me, that is seriously deluded way of looking at things...how the hell can they find him innocent or guilty of a charge that never existed?


He got asked to explain and abnormal finding, he explained it, so no charges were brought on him



Nope, he never provided a good explanation and his ADJUSTED numbers are still HIGHER than Petacchi's UNADJUSTED numbers. They have NOT cleared Petacchi, thus Froome IS guilty and they just didn't purse it BECAUSE of the Sky's money. If they had no case then why was Petacchi given a ban for a LOWER level? As long as Petacchi is guilty then Froome by definition is guilty.
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